NBA 2008-2009 Season

[Stee]

For someone who does so much crying and bitching I don't think you know what crying and bitching means.

I never said I didn't like the fact that Kobe doesn't get Lebron and Wade treatment, in fact I prefer it. Makes the Lakers games won and as a championship contender legit.

And I could give a shit if you don't believe me that Kobe got manhandled in the first few years of the Colorado trial. I've seen the games, I'm guessing you haven't.

[Deejay]

How does it make it legit if you're acknowledging the fact that he still gets star treatment?

[Stee]

There's a big difference between star treatment and getting the benefit of the doubt fouls.

If Kobe drives into the paint and there's some contact that the refs are confused as to what happened, Kobe is going to get the benefit of the doubt. That's what I mean when I say he gets more then the average player. This is also the reason why Kobe's free throw attempts have dropped a shitload this year, because he's been taking a lot of jumpshots to to preserve his legs for the playoffs.

But then you have to realize Kobe is one of the best in the league at creating contact. Ever since he lost that first step he's been relying a lot on deception plays. He pumpfakes and the defender jumps into him, the defender puts his hand near the vicinity of the ball and he goes straight up creating contact while shooting, and I've seen him do a few Reggie Miller kicks over the years.

Star treatment, in my opinion is where nobody is allowed to touch you. I know for a fact Lebron gets some of those calls, I've seen less of Wade so I'm not going to comment on him. If you've ever watched Raja Bell or Artest defend Kobe you know that there is a crapload of contact going on but nothings really called.

[Deejay]

Newsflash: "benefit of the doubt" is the same thing as saying "star treatment".

You're only differentiating the two in your mind because you're gay for Kobe. Wade does everything Kobe does and more to create contact. He gets just as much "star treatment" as Kobe does. You're kidding yourself if you honestly believe otherwise.

Lebron on the other hand is a physical beast, and it's hard to call games for him.

[Stee]

Obviously you didn't read my post, either that or your just retarded to the point where you can't form one coherent thought.

By the way if like you said I'm gay for Kobe then you must be taking Wade's dick on one end with Lebron's on the other then full force pumping with your hands for the whole Celtics team.

If your going to argue with me how about acting like you've passed high school or at least gotten a GED.

[Dimmauk]

For someone who does so much crying and bitching I don't think you know what crying and bitching means.

I never said I didn't like the fact that Kobe doesn't get Lebron and Wade treatment, in fact I prefer it. Makes the Lakers games won and as a championship contender legit.

And I could give a shit if you don't believe me that Kobe got manhandled in the first few years of the Colorado trial. I've seen the games, I'm guessing you haven't.

I guess when Shaq was getting the "Star Treatment" it made the Lakers championships not legit. I think Kobe wasnt getting calls after he raped that girl, because they sucked and nobody cared back then.

[Stee]

I'm sorry your team choked against the Lakers a bunch of times in the playoffs and is now irrelevant.

[GRT]

There was a TV playing the Spurs/Kings game tonight at a local bar, I remember glancing over it and seeing Kings on top in 4th, but the rest of the time I was staring at a hot waitress.

So who won?

[Byrd]

So who won?

Spurs 95-92. Questionable call at the end involving a 24 second clock and a non-review, but it's irrelevant now.

[Dimmauk]

I'm sorry your team choked against the Lakers a bunch of times in the playoffs and is now irrelevant.

I'm sorry your team choked last year. Until they win something, the Lakers are irrelevant. When was the last time they won the championship?

[Deejay]

Obviously you didn't read my post, either that or your just retarded to the point where you can't form one coherent thought.

LOL, ysosrs.

If your going to argue with me how about acting like you've passed high school or at least gotten a GED.

I could've sworn that they taught kids the difference between "your" and "you're" long before high school. If you're going to use that word, at least use it properly when questioning someone's intelligence. ^_^

[Deejay]

You can sit here and say that Kobe doesn't get "star treatment" until you're blue in the face. It still doesn't fucking matter. If the refs are blowing the whistle for him, then they're blowing their whistle. Arguing the semantics of it is retarded when all superstars get their fair share of calls.

Saying that other players can't touch Wade or Lebron is silly. They drive to the hoop just as much (or more, you said so yourself) and know how to create contact just as well as Kobe.

[Dimmauk]

Only Kobe gets fouled, everyone else just falls on the floor and didnt even get touched.

[Stee]

Oh no a grammar error, on a more important note you can't argue for shit.

Your comparing the knowledge of someone who has been in the league for 13 years to two people who have been in the league for 6.

Wade and Lebron are young, they have fresh legs. How they create contact is by driving into the paint, they don't need any other way to create contact. Kobe on the other hand has lost his first step so he's more dependent on creating contact from the perimeter. Six years from now your going to be seeing Lebron and Wade doing the exact same thing from the perimeter.

As for Kobe getting star treatment, how many times did you see Kobe and the rest of the Lakers getting handchecked and getting hit with arm bars in the finals? If it was Lebron or Wade I doubt the refs would have just let that go.

And if you don't think Wade gets star treatment especially after the 2006 finals you are either a idiot or a blind idiot with a little less idiot. Take your pick.

[Dimmauk]

"Star players" only get the "Star Treatment" when they have winning records. Or whenever the Commish tells the Refs to give them "the Treatment"

We all know the Cavs will win this year, because of this.

[Deejay]

Your comparing the knowledge of someone who has been in the league for 13 years to two people who have been in the league for 6.

Wade and Lebron are young, they have fresh legs. How they create contact is by driving into the paint, they don't need any other way to create contact.

Um, are you really going to sit here and say that Wade doesn't do the same things Kobe does to create contact? Have you ever watched a Heat game, ever? Seriously? Wade creating contact is beneficial to him no matter what part of the court he's on. Be it at the perimeter or near the basket. If he's in the position to draw a foul with a quick pump fake, he'll take it. Just because you've only seen Kobe use his little hesitation fakes to draw fouls doesn't mean he's the only player that does it. I'd even go as far as saying Chris Paul is better at drawing fouls on the perimeter than Kobe is.

And if you don't think Wade gets star treatment especially after the 2006 finals you are either a idiot or a blind idiot with a little less idiot. Take your pick.

Arguing the semantics of it is retarded when all superstars get their fair share of calls.

reading is cool

[Stee]

Umm we're talking about the difference of calls that Kobe gets compared to Wade and Lebron therefore I brought up the 2006 finals. If you don't know what we're even talking about why do you keep posting?

Just because you've only seen Kobe use his little hesitation fakes to draw fouls doesn't mean he's the only player that does it. I'd even go as far as saying Chris Paul is better at drawing fouls on the perimeter than Kobe is.

You have to realize Kobe is ONE OF THE BEST in the league at creating contact.

Looks like you need to take the short bus.

[Stee]

By the way anybody watching the Lakers see Shannon Brown? This kid has some really good potential.

One of the greatest weaknesses the Lakers had was penetrating guards. Fisher is too old and slow to keep up with the likes of Chris Paul and Tony Parker and Farmar....well he just sucks on defense and apparently now offense.

Shannon Brown though is fast, athletic, strong and long. His defense over the past few games have been extraordinary and everytime this kid dunks I have to get out of my seat in disbelief. His offense is pretty damn good and he shoots the three pretty consistently.

If we meet the Jazz in the first round, I want Fisher and Shannon to take turns on Deron. Farmar has been horrible the second half of this season and apparently has no confidence in his shot anymore. Hopefully with Brown taking his minutes he will step it up, otherwise dude needs to be traded.

[Kajii]

Brown really has been impressive, lots of energy. Reminiscent of Ariza during the beggining of the season(Ariza's still good, just not as explosive as before imo). I hope the Lakers play Brown a lot on Tuesday. They'll win the series, but I think it'll be a much easier process if Brown can get some leverage on Deron during Tuesday's game to take into the first round.

[Devia]

(Ariza's still good, just not as explosive as before imo)

I have to disagree. We've just grown more accustomed to his talent and our expectations are that much higher now. Consider too that his role has changed significantly over the course of the season.