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    Ah right, my mistake; I was comparing 264 to 264 instead of 264 to 277 Obviously you will gain more STAM INT and SP since they (usually) gain from iLvl. Had there been a 277 version of Leggings of Woven Death then the tables would probably been turned again.

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    I think the reason we're in disagreement here is because I play arcane. I'm always way over the hit cap.

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    Well lets put your ilvl theory to the test.
    Rawr v2.3.15, Gnome Mage, Engineerin/JC, 57/3/11 standard Arcane spec, full buffs, 4000 SP demo lock.
    >>Heroic ICC25 disabled, Heroic ICC10 disabled, Heroic TOGC25 disabled, Heroic TOGC10 disabled<<

    Set#1: Bloodmage Hood, Blood Queens Crimson Choker, Bloodmage Shoulderpads, Frostbinders Shredded Cape, Meteor Chasers Raiment, Death Surgeon's Sleeves, Sanctified Bloodmage Gloves, Crushing Coldwraith Belt, Sanctified Bloodmage Leggings, Plague Scientists Boots, Ring of Rapid Ascent, Ashen Band, Reign of the Unliving, DFO, Archus, Corpse Impaling Spike.
    Total DPS:12709

    Set#2: Bloodmage Hood, Blood Queens Crimson Choker, Bloodmage Shoulderpads, Frostbinders Shredded Cape, Bloodmage Robe, The Ladys Brittle Bracers, Sanctified Bloodmage Gloves, Crushing Coldwraith Belt, Leggings of Woven Death, Plague Scientists Boots, Ring of Rapid Ascent, Ashen Band, Reign of the Unliving, DFO, Archus, Corpse Impaling Spike.
    Total DPS:12751

    Now, that evens the playing field. Without any heroic items enabled Leggings of Woven Death win by 40 DPS. I would hardly say this would make Tier legs an item to laugh at a mage for wearing, nor would I say that means you should get Woven Death. Once you get into the 277 range they become obsolete while say, Deathfrost Boots for when you go Fire (25 LK HM or even before) will last you a VERY long time, only being beaten by Plague Scientist + Amulet of Silent Eulogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izzy View Post
    I think the reason we're in disagreement here is because I play arcane. I'm always way over the hit cap.
    And I have proven here they are a completely viable or even better option for an Arcane Mage. Especially if you raid Heroic ICC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falaras View Post
    And I have proven here they are a completely viable or even better option for an Arcane Mage. Especially if you raid Heroic ICC.
    I'm not going to argue with you about this. Difference of opinion, and I also believe maybe two or three of us here are actually raiding ICC25 Heroic consistently. I'm not one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izzy View Post
    I'm not going to argue with you about this. Difference of opinion, and I also believe maybe two or three of us here are actually raiding ICC25 Heroic consistently. I'm not one of them.
    I would recommend not "loling" at an extremely good piece of gear next time if you don't wish to argue. And its not a difference of opinion if I proved the pieces usefulness and you did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falaras View Post
    I would recommend not "loling" at an extremely good piece of gear next time if you don't wish to argue. And its not a difference of opinion if I proved the pieces usefulness and you did not.
    I have ran literally every simulation with realistically obtainable gear through Rawr, and T10 legs always come out below T10 hands. ALWAYS.

    All you said was, "lol w/heroic gear T10 legs are better."

    Good proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izzy View Post
    I have ran literally every simulation with realistically obtainable gear through Rawr, and T10 legs always come out below T10 hands. ALWAYS.

    All you said was, "lol w/heroic gear T10 legs are better."

    Good proof.
    Yes because last page I did not list out the BIS arcane list which included Sanc Legs (pre heroic tier which makes sanc legs even better). Post your sets or maybe some math and maybe your claims would make any sense.

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    As a matter of fact, I just ran you through Rawr, using all normal raid buffs on a 300 second fight with no movement. This is your DPS increase simply swapping your T10 legs out to T10 Head. Subtract 50 DPS off of the final total due to the regems.

    http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/4513/capturexz.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izzy View Post
    As a matter of fact, I just ran you through Rawr, using all normal raid buffs on a 300 second fight with no movement. This is your DPS increase simply swapping your T10 legs out to T10 Head. Subtract 50 DPS off of the final total due to the regems.

    http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/4513/capturexz.png
    You are comparing Sanc Head to Corprethar Crown, you do realize that right? Fireball BIS is going to be Sanc Head + Body + Legs + Shoulders with Heroic Gunship Mittens. Guess what? I have Heroic Gunship Mittens, Sanc body, legs, non sanc shoulders, and 8 badges from the head.

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    To change it up to complement your gear, nice fucking belt.

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    So I guess I don't get it. Even with all that gear, you still need the legs to be over hit cap?

    Also, I thought crit rating was supposed to be fucking amazing for fireball specs, and the T10 hands have it. Did something change?

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    Kinda funny how everyone is all over Falaras lately

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izzy View Post
    To change it up to complement your gear, nice fucking belt.
    Thank you.
    And while I may not have ran many arcane sims through rawr, I do know my Fire and I do know that no matter what Sanc Legs have their place in a Fireball mage. I've ran every setup that could be possible through rawr with every different type of 4 piece and the best has always been Head+Shoulders+Body+Legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyiee View Post
    Kinda funny how everyone is all over Falaras lately
    I just want some of that sweet Daisy.

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    whatever happened to just having fun and not crunching numbers and theorycrafting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arvin View Post
    whatever happened to just having fun and not crunching numbers and theorycrafting?
    Crunching numbers and theorycrafting is fun to some people, you know. Getting the most of your character and all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephius View Post
    Crunching numbers and theorycrafting is fun to some people, you know. Getting the most of your character and all that.
    And if you dont like it, you -must- be a casual. Surely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucavi View Post
    And if you dont like it, you -must- be a casual. Surely.
    hahah

    oh how the world (of warcraft) has changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arvin View Post
    whatever happened to just having fun and not crunching numbers and theorycrafting?
    Theirs always... common sense in gearing yourself to achieve good dps! I don't really touch any theorycrafting stuff myself ;/

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