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  1. #4761
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohaigaiz View Post
    i have no claims that i don't love my HDL, i'm just saying you should be hoarding your points for better thing(s)(HDFO). really, depending on your guild, they should be going for minimal DKP. for instance, 3 months ago HDLs in my guild were going for minimal DKP, as well as sanc tokens.

    i guess my statement is extremely moot. ever since i started over in wow 5 months ago people were just started to down icc normal, 1 month after i started back up in full naxx gear i was already riding the icc normal train and got my realm first LK kill in 4/5 triumph. since then been in upper tier guilds(not the best, but good).
    Well technically I was saving points for HDL and HDFO, but since HDL wasn't really in competition at the time it didn't really matter. I don't think HDL should be going for minimal DKP considering its the best, or second best depending on comparison 277 weapon. Then again I'm sure your guild is really good and can afford to do that kind of stuff, my old guild was pretty bad and my new one is all 10 man so it doesn't matter that much to me anymore. I'll be using Archus till lvl 85 probably.

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    The only thing that would beat it for a spriest would be H Archus or a 277 weapon + 277 OH combo. Heroic LK weapons are never going to happen for this guild. The BiS guide I'm following lists H DL as 1167 PP VS. H Bonespike 952 + H Spindle 254 = 1206 PP. Then I'd have to get priority over everyone else which would take months and hope they drop. I'd much rather have H DL over my Wrathful Salvation (873) + Wrathful Compendium (183) = 1056 PP. It seems everyone else is saving up for the maximum possible BiS gear, I'm not worried about all that, I've been getting a bunch of gear that everyone is passing on. For instance I got a 249 PP necklace that nobody else even bid on because they're all saving up for the 258 PP necklace. I'm just in it for the mount, hoping the 30% buff will make up for everyone having Down Syndrome.

  3. #4763
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    I made a big error that threw off my perception of weapons, I'm an idiot. Rawr always modeled HDL above HFBS so I assumed it was the best, what I didn't realize is that it doesn't apply the +81 SP enchant to the dagger so its Unenchanted vs Enchanted. These are the real numbers using a completely BIS mage. Black magic on the 1 hands, +81 SP on the staves. Oh and also using +15% buff because that's when I made my BIS mage setup in rawr and I didn't change it.
    H Dying Light is 17228
    H FBS + H SS is 17421
    H Bloodsurge is 17649
    H Archus is 17464
    H Telthas + H SS is 17304
    H Halion is 17246
    H Rigormortis is 17276 even without the needed hit.
    So we can Assume: H Bloodsurge > H Archus > H Frozen Bonespike > H Telthas > H Rigormortis > H Halion > H Dying Light.
    Remove all the LK weapons and its: H Frozen Bonespike > H Rigormortis > H Dying Light. lol.
    Of course you also have to get the 277 offhand that everyone and their mother wants.
    Also N Archus is 16994
    I honestly never thought H Rigormortis was THAT good of a weapon, I may have to rebuild my BIS setup now to account for it since 50 Hit is nothing to scoff at.

  4. #4764
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    Switched from Unholy to Frost DK and love it.

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    Jeez welcome to last month

  6. #4766
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    Didn't have decent one-handers and kept on my Unholy dk rather than specing into a new spec D:

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    Forge of souls heroic has a pretty spiffy 1 hander, nighttime. Frost giants cleaver is pretty pro for starting out too.

  8. #4768
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    I use Bloodvenom/Nighttime. Offhand blows, waiting for (H)Gunship to drop my axe.

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    Hopefully saurf puts out another heroic one. But then I need to readjust for expertise. I did snag a heroic deaths choice last night. Kinda happy about that. I kind of want to go back to unholy but I'm the only dk in the raid, we have an enhance shaman but I dunno.

  10. #4770
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    Quote Originally Posted by seph32 View Post
    Switched from Unholy to Frost DK and love it.
    are you liking DK better than warrior? How about in arenas?

  11. #4771
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    I honestly kind of want to try out Frost DK again since im sitting in 4/5 Sanc gear but I only have 2 nighttimes right now for weapons compared to my shadows edge for my UH set. Not sure how well a UH set transfers into a frost setup, I know when I went blood I wasn't doing that great due to being under ArP cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyiee View Post
    are you liking DK better than warrior? How about in arenas?
    Nope, warrior is awesome and still love it. But I must admit Frost DK is really fun. I havent tried DK in arenas, just warrior.

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    Death knights are trash outside of a few specific comps. Their damage is garbage, the only thing they're good for is control and survivability. Chains of ice and desecration every time they scourge strike, silence, stun, mind freeze, death grip. They pretty much just spend the entire game peeling and nobody can kill them because they have a million defensive cooldowns. Then they score a kill with gargoyle and corpse explosion while keeping a healer locked down for ten thousand years.

    But if letting your partner do all the work while you spam chains of ice is your cup of tea, then I guess you'll have a good time.

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    That's why lots of us that have DK leveled are alts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krye View Post
    Death knights are trash outside of a few specific comps. Their damage is garbage, the only thing they're good for is control and survivability. Chains of ice and desecration every time they scourge strike, silence, stun, mind freeze, death grip. They pretty much just spend the entire game peeling and nobody can kill them because they have a million defensive cooldowns. Then they score a kill with gargoyle and corpse explosion while keeping a healer locked down for ten thousand years.

    But if letting your partner do all the work while you spam chains of ice is your cup of tea, then I guess you'll have a good time.

    And that's why I leveled a warrior alt for arena lol

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    First time seeing ICC10 heroics and my group one-shot 7/12 (skipped profusser petricide and princes, valithria proved to be a mess). Casual group, so, it's not world beating by any standard, but pretty good for a group that only raids icc10 for 3 hours a week.

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    Oh wtf...100k achievements? I was hoping it would stop at 10k. Man, fuck pvp achievements, they are such a pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylia View Post
    Oh wtf...100k achievements? I was hoping it would stop at 10k. Man, fuck pvp achievements, they are such a pain.

    its so fun though! I'm hoping the cata one will be around 500,000

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    started working on pvp achivements on my pally, pain in the ass if you cant get a decent group of friends to help with them.

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