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  1. #7861
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    Yeah, as far as I can tell they basically decided at this point they've got most classes scaling so fast that just getting geared up is at least as effective as the DS/ICC nerfs...

    And of course the one big flaw with that is if you're not clearing many bosses you're not getting gear.

  2. #7862
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    I think the quality of raiding teams has dropped substantially, mainly because the veteran/hardcore element is drifting away from the game through natural attrition and the replacement rate in dedicated raiding is a lot lower than it used to be since people can just LFR it up.

    In essence, due to the existence of easy-mode raiding, maintaining a hard-mode or even a normal-mode raid has become harder.

    I know that at 6/13H my guild is like...sub-200 US 10-man. That's despite us being over 3 months into the tier.

    PS. We are recruiting. If you are looking for a raid, and can pull good numbers or heal, send me a message. We could use another few people on the roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aurik View Post
    I think the quality of raiding teams has dropped substantially, mainly because the veteran/hardcore element is drifting away from the game through natural attrition and the replacement rate in dedicated raiding is a lot lower than it used to be since people can just LFR it up.

    In essence, due to the existence of easy-mode raiding, maintaining a hard-mode or even a normal-mode raid has become harder.

    I know that at 6/13H my guild is like...sub-200 US 10-man. That's despite us being over 3 months into the tier.
    Honestly I attribute that more to 10 mans just being hard.

    At 1/13 heroic a few weeks in, when we should have been considerably farther, we couldn't recruit for shit. When we finally got Horridon down and got tortos + jikun the same week and were suddenly at 4/13 when most were still 1-3, we got 4 new recruits in a week and even with someone leaving ended up with a 13 man roster.

    Sitting at 8/13H now and on the verge of 10 (really close on prim/twins), and we have people checking in to see if we're recruiting.

    And now that the upgrade patch hits we're just tearing through shit. Durumu, which we were pretty concerned about, was our fastest progression of the tier aside from jinrok/jikun.

  4. #7864
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    At 6/13 we can't get good applicants for shit.

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    you guys are a late night crew too, right?

    we had a lot of success heading to oceanic forums, I think we have 6 aussie/nz people now

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    This was a good week for progression for our guys. After stuggling on Magaera forever, we got Ji-kun down.... then today we 2 shot durumu, and 1-shot primordius our first look. lol. Then we wiped terribly to Dark Animus trash. That one will take tweaking, obviously, but there's hope for my scrappy little group just yet.

    I'm the affliction lock. I don't know WHAT our destro lock was doing, she was shit today overall


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    Finally finished off archaeology for the expansion...about 900 total solves to get all the cheeves.
    Finished off Cata Heroic Dungeon achievements too. Soloing Malacrass was a good experience, starting to really push my boundaries as a moonkin.
    Won the fishing contest today.

    Lots of good this weekend

    e: and HMegara down, now 7/13!

  8. #7868
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abandon View Post
    This was a good week for progression for our guys. After stuggling on Magaera forever, we got Ji-kun down.... then today we 2 shot durumu, and 1-shot primordius our first look. lol. Then we wiped terribly to Dark Animus trash. That one will take tweaking, obviously, but there's hope for my scrappy little group just yet.
    Either long or short have fiery hands, I can't remember which. There's always 3 short range and 3 long range.

    You want to mark the 3 short range and have double assigned interrupters (some will almost never cast, some will cast faster than 1 person can stop).

    Stack everybody up, interrupt all short range, tear em down.

    You might just wanna blow hero and pots and all your cd's and stuff, you won't need them for DA himself, it's purely an execution fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plow View Post
    Either long or short have fiery hands, I can't remember which. There's always 3 short range and 3 long range.

    You want to mark the 3 short range and have double assigned interrupters (some will almost never cast, some will cast faster than 1 person can stop).

    Stack everybody up, interrupt all short range, tear em down.

    You might just wanna blow hero and pots and all your cd's and stuff, you won't need them for DA himself, it's purely an execution fight.
    Fiery hands have the long range lightning, but yeah, this is absolutely the best way we've found to go about it, everyone gets in range, blow CDs, burn down the normal hand guys. They all have a weak shadow nova(like 50k aoe), but like Plow said, some just don't seem to cast at all, while others will cast like crazy. So really it's all about getting those short range lightning guys down. Once those three are down, pull the rest back to the door way so you don't accidentally engage Animus immediately after they die. Learned that one the hard way.

    Animus itself is a fairly easy fight, the next really difficult one(if you could even call it difficult) is Iron Qon. Once you're past Durumu and Primordius, the rest of the dungeon is fairly easy. Talk about an awful difficulty curve lol.

  10. #7870
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    4 new heroics down in 7 days (megaera last sunday, durumu wed, prim and twins this sunday), now 10/13H...

    and now the real pain begins with DA and Lei Shen lol


    pretty good shit though, after falling way the fuck back early in this tier we're right there with the top of KJ again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemz View Post
    Fiery hands have the long range lightning, but yeah, this is absolutely the best way we've found to go about it, everyone gets in range, blow CDs, burn down the normal hand guys. They all have a weak shadow nova(like 50k aoe), but like Plow said, some just don't seem to cast at all, while others will cast like crazy. So really it's all about getting those short range lightning guys down. Once those three are down, pull the rest back to the door way so you don't accidentally engage Animus immediately after they die. Learned that one the hard way.

    Animus itself is a fairly easy fight, the next really difficult one(if you could even call it difficult) is Iron Qon. Once you're past Durumu and Primordius, the rest of the dungeon is fairly easy. Talk about an awful difficulty curve lol.
    thanks to you and Plow for this. I'll let them know tonight. We dropped Durumu in 2 days of progression, and 2 shot Primordius for progression, total. I'm not worried about anything other than the execution for DA, as i have some people that are striaght mechanics retarded.

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    It's hard to explain what exactly the DA fight is, but really the extent of the mechanics comes down to having a couple people that know wtf, and yellling incessantly at anybody that kills anything before you specifically tell them to.

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    finally got that bastard tortos down last night after a fuck ton of either 1% wipes or 1 minute wipes for stupid shit, not really looking forward to megarea, have a bad feeling 1 or 2 of our members are gonna end up fucking shit up somehow on it =/....wouldn't be so bad if it were heroic i guess but its bloody normals lol

  14. #7874
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    mega normal is pretty faceroll these days if your dps are competent, wouldn't stress it too much

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    Up to 8/13 now. Primo felt easier than Council and Megeara. Also made a lot of progression on Twins, and will most likely have them down this week.

    We're now really feeling the additional power that gear upgrading (and killing 6+ heroics)...

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    Glad to hear it then, might have trouble with one of our dps but i should think that the hunters and my dps would be enough to cover what she lacks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abandon View Post
    thanks to you and Plow for this. I'll let them know tonight. We dropped Durumu in 2 days of progression, and 2 shot Primordius for progression, total. I'm not worried about anything other than the execution for DA, as i have some people that are striaght mechanics retarded.
    This sounds exactly like what happened with my group too, and I'd wager is probably the case for most guilds in similar positions. We two shot Primordius as well, but he can still be a bit of a crap shoot depending on which evolution he gains first. We got Dark Animus the following week, then ended up losing 3 full weeks of progression because people just weren't showing up. Once they pulled that back together we got Iron Qon down, then went and two shot Twin Consorts. Killed Lei Shen that same week(technically we extended, but we lost most of a progression night there as well the previous week). In total we spent maybe 4 hours of wipes on Lei Shen. Horridon was probably our biggest hurdle early on, but apparently Tortos has caused the most wipes for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aurik View Post
    Up to 8/13 now. Primo felt easier than Council and Megeara. Also made a lot of progression on Twins, and will most likely have them down this week.

    We're now really feeling the additional power that gear upgrading (and killing 6+ heroics)...
    If you think you guys can spare a night I'd give durumu a look on your way through, too. Hell almost a month ago we pulled him on heroic accidentally and he was 60-70% before we realized it lol.

  19. #7879
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    Yeah, that's the plan. We're probably <2 hrs from a twins kill, so my guess is we'll spend up to our entire first night on Durumu.

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    + other ring on sunday... went from 524 to 530 in 2 raid nights lol

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