Player named Riahna took HQ synth that belonged to her

[Bigalo]

Yes she still stole the harness.

[Richybear]

Since it's an HQ synth, I say this calls for an HQ word to describe it.
What a jewpsy. (Jewpsie?)


I see the side that it was "stolen" because of a prior arangement made earlier, however not having the mats to craft another one readily available kinda screwed things up for ya.
That's just one of the reasons crafters don't synth for people other than friends. It even happens inside of an LS, so lots of crafters don't even synth for shellmates to avoid this stuff.

[Day]

Please dont be let astray by the person who abused adminstrative rights and changed the topic

oh LMFAO. You realized the person that did this owns these forums right? What a moron.

[Davricle]

Wow Izzy, way to take it to the extreme. Did I call you out? No. Did I call for you to get an infraction? No. I asked for you to not use a term which I think is ignorant and I find is perpetuated every day. I don't think its right to refer to anyone in a derogatory sense. Why does this lead you to go on a (flimsy) crusade to smear me and say that I break rules "95%" of the time?

If I did fine, have a mod give me an infraction. However, your examples, even the "shining" one is weak. The first two are in the Cross-Server section where questions of character are brought up in EVERY thread. Hell, its the purpose of the forum. The second post in particular was a thread STARTED by me to ask for information about Zenmetsu.

The other two you posted? That was me sticking up for my LS mates when they were publicly plastered on these boards. The first, IF YOU READ IT CORRECTLY, is a reply to Jinkazama's original post with a player from my LS wearing skillup gear and Jink calling him gimp. I posted in exactly the same format Jink did.

The last, your "shining" example, was my LS being insulted by a member of a rival LS. Too bad he happened to be a former member and I had the dirt necessary to shut him up.

So Izzy, I've never had a problem with you and I still don't. I think its very funny that a simple request would lead you on such a tirade.

Flame me if you want but I've said my piece and I'm finished posting in this topic.

P.S. Is this considered cluttering up the thread or trolling? Dang, I guess you can tack on another infraction for that!

[S N K]

Wow Izzy, way to take it to the extreme. Did I call you out? No.

Actually to be straight up you did.

[Devia]

I say, let the actions of the accused speak to the matter of guilt. If this person truly did nothing wrong, why did it feel the pressing need to jump servers? Also, I take exception to the amended topic title. For shame.

[Leylana]

Going to have to side with the majority on this one. What Riahna did was douchebaggy and wrong. People arguing that the OP could not have synthed without the mats, the bitch could not have even gotten an NQ without his craft, so that argument is moot. If it wasn't guilty, it would not have hopped servers. But apparently, it had such a horrible rep, that this incident was just icing on the cake. Good riddance to bad rubbish etc.

As for the whole getting butt hurt by racial slurs thing. I can't believe that after all the Jewish people have been through, all the really major mistreatment (understatement), that you can insult them by getting all testicle twisted over some internet words. I'm sure that, had they been given the choice, they'd rather take these insults over the abuse and slaughter they endured. You do a disgrace to them. -_-

[Airenn]

I love this fucking thread, seriously.

I hate Rhiana, she sounds like a bitch -- and has done fucked up things many times.

I think Dav went crazy. John Stewart would be ashamed of you. I'm not a jew but if I was, I'd probably stil lol @ 'being a huge jew.' Not because I think omfg that's totally what a jew, a specific certain person, would do, but because the phrase has just come to mean something else entirely. But I agree that if you can't get away with saying to someone on here "stop being a nigger" (again something that seems to have taken on a different meaning than calling someone black in a racist way) then you shouldn't be able to say anything else, sadly.

Izzy, why did I not come give you a hug when I was in Brooklyn? remind me to nexttime, hah.

Agree with SNK.

LMFAO At Jewpsie, oh god, lol @ work for real.

[Sonomaa]

Yes she still stole the harness.

Ok, Ill tell you where you fucked up.

I want to put this info out to other Crafters or people that are on the alexander server. this person asked our ls if anyone could make her a Cursed hecatomb harness and i told her i could. She the PM's me and said it will be a few days before i get the materials and asked what i charged. i told her nothing but if its a HQ im going to keep it and sell it and ill make her another one immediatly. She said ok. On 27 Oct 08 (4 days later) asked me if i could make it now, and i said yes just come to thickets cause im in merit party.

Ive made it larger and bolded so you can read.

You might have discussed the terms of your "agreement" before, but you did not create a binding contract at that time. If you had been smart you would have once again discussed the terms IN GAME and not IN PM, where SE cannot verify. It doesnt matter what terms you set, if they are not discussed immediately for verification, THEY DONT FUCKING EXIST.

As far as Im concerned, this is what happened, she asked you to synth, you hqed, she said gimme, you said gtfo Im keeping this. She claimed you stole it, which according to what a GM said, you did. You had nothing in writing, nothing for them to verify, they did their job, you fucked up.

As for Izzy, I gave him a limited infraction, didnt even count against him, lasted a few hours and was over. I did this because he is a good poster and made a valid topic. I should go through and unleash hell on some of the other posts in this topic but Im not. Start acting civil.

[Zosi]

Sono

One more time, in case people missed it the first 29532 times... confirm terms right before you take the items and synth, or you don't have shit for an agreement. Doesn't matter if you talked about it on Vent, IMs, forum PMs, two weeks ago in-game, through smoke signals over the mountain, etc. Say it in-game, make sure they acknowledge it, or you have *NO* recourse if they decide to play nasty.

[S N K]

if they are not discussed immediately for verification, THEY DONT FUCKING EXIST.

To a point. Now while I partly agree with what you're saying the fact she did go back on the deal in end when she originally agreed to it is still fucking stupid. Time passed or not but she obviously agreed to it before and came to him with the mats to make the harness which if anything he was still under the impression she was going to honor their agreement they spoke about days prior.

I sure as shit know for a fact if I fucked over someone on something like that and got myself a nice shiny in exchange, people would be all over my ass regardless. Crafters spend a ton of time and effort getting that shit capped and when you deal with most of them it's usually a forgone conclusion that most crafters are people you do not want to fuck over because pulling a stunt like this bitch did only will make the crafter send out a warning that this person likes to renig on a deal.

Still gonna say that tossing the item was stupid as fuck. If the poster could be blamed for anything, it was not reconfirming the original deal but hey some people are too trusting that players won't get greedy when all of a sudden a mess of gil falls into their hands.

[Thorny]

The guy didn't mention that he spent an hour running off to do a BC to get mats to synth another one until halfway through the topic, that alone should be reason to distrust him. If someone synthed your mats into heca+1 then disappeared for a while wouldn't you be a bit unsettled/annoyed? I'm not saying it's right to gank the heca+1 if they really did have a deal, but at the beginning of the post the OP said that they were going to synth another immediately.. I wouldn't be that shocked if the prior arrangement was exaggerated as well.

[Shin Volcano]

Yes she still stole the harness.

Wow...so the person provides the Materials, all they asked is for you to MAKE it, they didnt ask you to BUY the mats and make it and give it to them, maybe this is just me but if somone asked me to make somthing for them, i wouldnt stoop to greed and try to sell somthing that wasnt MINE to begin with, they provide the materials i make, if they offer a Reward for you crafting, nothing wrong with that, the problem is people DEMAND rewards now, if i feel i don't want to make it, i'll tell them "No thanks" it's THERES i have NO right charging or telling them ill sell your shit if it HQs, don't cry about spending the gill to level the craft, it was your choice to level it,, alot may not agree with this, but as i recall you can only have ONE 100 craft, its pretty bullshit to play that "go level the craft if you want it made" card, but you cant have more then ONE 100 craft besides fishing, you have to remember the GOLDEN rule when being asked to craft somthing, you can always say.... NO, not "ok, but ill charge you or sell it if its HQ so i can make a profit off your desparation" Remember what i said before the greed filled people try attacking me it's YOUR CHOICE IF YOU WANT TO CRAFT OR NOT.


I'm not condoning if the person stupidly said they will let you keep it and then changed there mind at the last minute, that is there own stupid mistake for even offering to do that, but you shouldn't get mad for not making gill off somone elses mats.

[Leylana]

My guess is that it's reputation was so bad, it had to go to someone who didn't already know any history on said person. True, every crafter is within their right to either say no, or craft, but they also have the right to make their own conditions. If the person needing the craft doesn't like it, they can take a hike. The fact that it agreed to it, and then not only backed out, but also had him GMed speaks volumes of its character. And again, guilty people don't immediately transfer after events like these. I'm sure if the OP had HQed a crappy item, the bitch wouldn'tve started shit about it. The fact that it's worth so much is the point. And instead of keeping it, which would've reinforced its defenders here, it decided to sell it, thus profiting greatly without having ever leveled the craft. That right there is bullshit. The OP got -nothing- out of this deal, why should that slutwhore be the only beneficiary?

[Shin Volcano]

My guess is that it's reputation was so bad, it had to go to someone who didn't already know any history on said person. True, every crafter is within their right to either say no, or craft, but they also have the right to make their own conditions. If the person needing the craft doesn't like it, they can take a hike. The fact that it agreed to it, and then not only backed out, but also had him GMed speaks volumes of its character. And again, guilty people don't immediately transfer after events like these. I'm sure if the OP had HQed a crappy item, the bitch wouldn'tve started shit about it. The fact that it's worth so much is the point. And instead of keeping it, which would've reinforced its defenders here, it decided to sell it, thus profiting greatly without having ever leveled the craft. That right there is bullshit. The OP got -nothing- out of this deal, why should that slutwhore be the only beneficiary?

The person with the 100 craft? He has the level 100 craft...she dosn't.. hell he could have just kept the dam materials, there is always a risk even giving someone expensive items, he can Relitivly make it anytime he wants "providing he gets lucky enough to HQ it" for that one time she sold it, he can maybe sell another 4 in his FFXI life time, i am not DEFENDING this person for saying one thing and doing another, my bottom line is simply it's a two person deal, next time SAY NO. most people i know won't even craft for random people they don't know,

[RiaRia]

Wow all this over me shame shame shame Bigalo when u want to tell the truth please feel free to do so ok . For the record their was never any agreement what so ever about anything this was just a so called ls member making a craft this person was in a exp party when the item was made. Didn't have on adv support or anything never said anything about if i Hq's that they would keep it i never said anything about him crafting it for me 3 days before that. Because i already had someone trying to make it for me but it failed an when i wanted to try again this person wasn't on so thus for i /sh an asked in ls .. so i went out to his exp party an gave him all the mats that i bought an after the item was made and i saw it came out hq i even offered to tip HIM an he said NO! im sry i never made one single dime from crafting im sry but im keeping this one BS!!! i said i would tip that does not give him the right to keep my item and make me a NQ one for me what if he made another HQ then what??? i bet he wouldnt give me that one ...... this guy was just trying to get rich of my item as far as the rest of u ppl idk an dont really care! ..... And as to KYO the manthra about trotter boots i didnt have to help u i helped u with one their is no law that says i have to help u camp SIM so plz get over all of this is just point less an childish GET a life the BOTH of YOU!!!

[Thorny]

I take back what I said, this person is obviously retarded. Please get off of my remora and stay off.

[Callisto]

Jesus H. Fucking Donkey Cocks is noone involved in this entire ordeal capable of hitting the enter button and splitting things up into a readable format?

[johnboy]

Soooo are we ever gonna see the PM or any screenshots of this shit?

[Kyouri]

Wow all this over me shame shame shame Bigalo when u want to tell the truth please feel free to do so ok . For the record their was never any agreement what so ever about anything this was just a so called ls member making a craft this person was in a exp party when the item was made. Didn't have on adv support or anything never said anything about if i Hq's that they would keep it i never said anything about him crafting it for me 3 days before that. Because i already had someone trying to make it for me but it failed an when i wanted to try again this person wasn't on so thus for i /sh an asked in ls .. so i went out to his exp party an gave him all the mats that i bought an after the item was made and i saw it came out hq i even offered to tip HIM an he said NO! im sry i never made one single dime from crafting im sry but im keeping this one BS!!! i said i would tip that does not give him the right to keep my item and make me a NQ one for me what if he made another HQ then what??? i bet he wouldnt give me that one ...... this guy was just trying to get rich of my item as far as the rest of u ppl idk an dont really care! ..... And as to KYO the manthra about trotter boots i didnt have to help u i helped u with one their is no law that says i have to help u camp SIM so plz get over all of this is just point less an childish GET a life the BOTH of YOU!!!

Thank you for proving how retarded you are. Btw, I'm not a manthra so nice assumption there, with trying to insult me. ^^ Also, there was an agreement which is my problem. You AGREED to stay and help because you wanted boots too, I have at least 4+ other people that were there when you said that. We also asked you VERY kindly not to leak ToD but you came out the next day and camped AGAINST us. That's a VERY low thing to do in my opinion. I'm not really butt-hurt about it since we got claim anyway but, I just think you're a very slimy person for being a liar.

EDIT: Also, what makes it worse is that we were in the same Linkshell. I obviously had a false assumption that since we were in the same LS, just maybe you're word could be accepted. For this, I hope you don't get accepted into any new LS, if you do, I hope they are aware you will steal ToD and camp against fellow LS members. :D