WS macros etc

**barber2006** · 2008-10-29 09:26

I've spent a billion hours as mage/support/ranger and still really aren't comfortable with my macros as a melee. As a ranger, its easy to hit the ws equip macro as I am putting away my gun/bow so as soon as I'm ready to WS I'm confident I have just the right gear on.

With Ninja I'm less sure.

For a while I did something like this:

/equip ws stuff
/wait 1
/ws

The obvious problem is that I would have to wait a full second after hitting 100 tp to WS. The only other option was to hit it a second before I would get 100 TP but that means meleeing in WS gear for a round and sometimes two if a couple of whiffs took place.

Then I switched to something like this:

/equip ws stuff
/ws

But that really made me worried the game wasn't switching everything before the WS. With my sorc ring macros there are times where everything doesn't get shifted and I end up nuking in zenith head etc. These are rare, but still, the thought of ws in haste gear is not appealing to me.

So this is definately a noobie question, but can I be confident that everything gets equipped if I don't use a wait? I'd really like to avoid using a seperate key to equip WS gear and hitting two buttons to WS because I'm just so used to everything else being where it is. How do 'normal' melee set up their macro set?

**haelix** · 2008-10-29 09:32

I don't use windower so with my limited lines in macros, i use alt 9 for tp gear and alt 0 for ws gear. All my ws's that i might actually use are in the Ctrl 1,2,or 3 macros. It just fits the hands nicely this way.

If your worried about making sure your gear is switched, maybe you can go ahead and change into ws gear one hit before 100 tp, just don't miss!

**isladar** · 2008-10-29 09:34

Unfortunately, there isn't a standardized Meleefag macro set up; there's no essay at the end requiring MLA formart. What I've found to be most comfortable with jobs where I have to do more than spam a single WS, or if my palette is crunched, is to make WS /equip macros, and choose my WS off the menu.

It really comes down to muscle memory -- you'll get faster and more efficient at whatever means you chose.

**Darunia** · 2008-10-29 09:48

I use windower so my basic ws macro format is normally:
/console exec WS.txt
/wait 1
/ws <t>
/wait 2
/console exec TP.txt

With the 1 second gap that is barely noticable i get the garuntee all of my gear will load correctly.
If you dont use windower id suggest making a seperate equip macro for WS, after a few days getting used to any macro pallet itl become easier and eventually youl do it without thinking.

**Zsky** · 2008-10-29 10:42

I struggled with WS macros for a while as well... until <stnpc>

I simply do this way:

/equip whatever
/ws "your ws here" <stnpc>

I typically have TP gear on other macro since I don't like having "/wait X" after a ws, just interrupts my rhythm.

I <3 this method because I know I have WS gear on and waits for your confirmation to use WS on selected mob, handy to prevent "mob was too far, you lose TP HAHA" messages.

Probably will feel weird for some but it works for me.

**Miraun** · 2008-10-29 10:45

I use spellcast with a 0.2 delay between gearing and WSing

**isladar** · 2008-10-29 10:46

Originally Posted by Darunia

I use windower so my basic ws macro format is normally:
/console exec WS.txt
/wait 1
/ws <t>
/wait 2
/console exec TP.txt

I've been thinking of switching over to this; my only concern is I have two different sets of TP gear for SAM for example, and it wouldn't necessary save me a second button to hit if I had to WS > oh hay lol i meant teh OTHER TP set

**Cream Soda** · 2008-10-29 10:53

Here is one of my asuran macros (I have 3). I use Apnea's macro master and unless I'm getting some lag, it works perfectly (and even with lag, only thing that doesn't get swapped is the temple gloves to bkote, which is still more attack than if i had just boosted in bkote)

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**Silpha** · 2008-10-29 10:53

Originally Posted by Zsky

I struggled with WS macros for a while as well... until <stnpc>

I simply do this way:

/equip whatever
/ws "your ws here" <stnpc>

^ that
Also allows to not WS the colibri if the war next to you just rampaged it down to 2% while you changed gear.

**Callisto** · 2008-10-29 10:54

Originally Posted by isladar

I've been thinking of switching over to this; my only concern is I have two different sets of TP gear for SAM for example, and it wouldn't necessary save me a second button to hit if I had to WS > oh hay lol i meant teh OTHER TP set

At the same time you would have had to hit a 2nd macro to get into that other TP set either way, this way you only need to do so when going into the 2nd one and not the first, i.e. if the 2nd is a heavy Acc build you only use on wiley Peter Pan-ass mobs then that can be the one you'd have to hit a 2nd macro to get unto, while your WS macros can dump you into your Haste setup you use the other 80whatever% of the time.

**isladar** · 2008-10-29 10:56

Originally Posted by Callisto

At the same time you would have had to hit a 2nd macro to get into that other TP set either way, this way you only need to do so when going into the 2nd one and not the first, i.e. if the 2nd is a heavy Acc build you only use on wiley Peter Pan-ass mobs then that can be the one you'd have to hit a 2nd macro to get unto, while your WS macros can dump you into your Haste setup you use the other 80whatever% of the time.

I suppose that's true. Like I said its pure muscle memory at this point, so its automatic to go WS gear > Menu WS > Hauby or Askar body set up? Circle one prz.

**Defconnexion** · 2008-10-29 10:59

What you need, see, is gear that you can wear full-time! Like relic gear!
Seriously, though, just put your gearswaps on your Alt key and your WS's's's on your Ctrl key. Muuuuuuch less hassle for your money.

**Callisto** · 2008-10-29 11:01

Originally Posted by isladar

I suppose that's true. Like I said its pure muscle memory at this point, so its automatic to go WS gear > Menu WS > Hauby or Askar body set up? Circle one prz.

I do the same thing when on PC, I'm used to having to hit 2 macros to get into my RDM idle gear so I hit the 2 macros, even though on the lappy I just need to hit one.

Originally Posted by Defconnexion

What you need, see, is gear that you can wear full-time! Like relic gear!
Seriously, though, just put your gearswaps on your Alt key and your WS's's's on your Ctrl key. Muuuuuuch less hassle for your money.

That. If you want to keep all your swaps separate from your abilities(I like having the control of that), same bar, swaps on one side, abilities on the other(or for RDM I have weapon swaps on left and armor swaps on right, abilities above armor swaps.)

**Deeke** · 2008-10-29 11:08

I too use <stnpc>. Two full macros (regular legit 6-line macros) for swapping in to WS gear, then two macros swapping back to TP stuff.

Example would be

Macro 1
/equip Ring1
/equip Head
/equip Body
/equip Hands
/equip Legs
/equip Feet

Macro 2
/equip Ear1
/equip Ring2
/equip Neck
/equip Waist
/equip Back
/ws "Stabby Stabstab" <stnpc>

This allows 11-piece gear swaps, which is pretty decent within the game's intended macro system. Note how all the blinking gear is lumped into the same single macro (so that you don't blink twice) and it's kept in the macro without the /ws command (this is just a habit of mine, not sure if it has any merit

). It eats up your macro slots for sure, but you make do.

(I use this same format for practically every RDM spell too, 5 lines of spell-specific gear within the spell's specific macro and on each horizontal page, two general +MND/+INT 6-line macros that are switched into for all applicable spells.)

**Acorn** · 2008-10-29 11:15

When it comes to gear changes, the game is a lot faster than most people give it credit for. You don't need a /wait between gear change and WS. Like Vegetto showed, chakra is a perfect example. It is pretty easy to see if your chakra gear is working.

Trust the game and save yourself the extra second. If you WS once per minute (60 times per hour) that's 60 seconds of wasted time per hour. You could have done another WS in that time. Even IF the last line or two of your gear change is not working, the damage you do in the time you saved more than makes up for it.

**Kohan** · 2008-11-01 07:51

Originally Posted by Acorn

When it comes to gear changes, the game is a lot faster than most people give it credit for. You don't need a /wait between gear change and WS. Like Vegetto showed, chakra is a perfect example. It is pretty easy to see if your chakra gear is working.

If I ever try to use Chakra without a /wait 1, my equipment bonuses never fire off. Even though I put on my Temple Cyclas, Melee Gloves and Genbu's Kabuto, I might as well be naked. I'm on FIOS as well.

Thus, I don't trust the game at all. It's undoubtedly different for everyone, else discussions like this wouldn't exist.

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