Pro-Embryonic Stem Cell Research while against abortion?

[Mojo]

For those pro-life pro-stem cell research people out there, I've got a question for you. Should abortion be allowed in cases where serious birth defects(autism, harlequin ichthyosis, etc.) are detected early in the pregnancy?

[Darus Grey]

For those pro-life pro-stem cell research people out there, I've got a question for you. Should abortion be allowed in cases where serious birth defects(autism, harlequin ichthyosis, etc.) are detected early in the pregnancy?

You mean Fragile-X....Autism isn't genetic in most cases, plus saying it's a serious defect is...uh...a whole nother can of worms.

[Shinryusan]

Because what is necessary and what is right are two different things. I can steal, which is morally wrong, but i can have a good reason for doing, like feeding my family. Essentially, what's moral tells you what is the best thing to do in the most perfect situation, but since every situation isn't perfect, you will, of course by your own violation , have to do what is not right, and instead do what's necessary.

And by that same token, what's legal is not necessarily what's right.

Alright. I can agree with that. I guess it comes down to whether more ills are done by legalizing or banning abortion/stem cell research (I do hold the same views, more or less, as Beckwin stated earlier, both are destroying unwanted embryos so the same issues apply to both). My opinion is, and ignoring the benefits of stem cell research for the time being, it's better to risk the social/psychological damage of abortion for some than limit the freedoms of all. When you do take into consideration the benefits of stem cell research on discarded embryos, that just solidifies my viewpoint.

[pohibaba]

Once we find the gene that makes people gay I would totally support aborting all the potential fags.

[Shinryusan]

pohibaba, as I assume from your sig you are a libertarian, I find it very surprising that you'd be anti-abortion. How do you reconcile that?

/ignoretrollpost

[Rhinox]

Once we find the gene that makes people gay I would totally support aborting all the potential fags.

Oh you~

[pohibaba]

pohibaba, as I assume from your sig you are a libertarian, I find it very surprising that you'd be anti-abortion. How do you reconcile that?

/ignoretrollpost

I'm lazy so I'll just link you to the thread where I already debated this.

[Dimmauk]

Once we find the gene that makes people gay I would totally support aborting all the potential fags.

Couldn't they just make a vaccine for like they did in X-men?

[Shinryusan]

From what I can see, you argued that it was moral to protect life, whether born or unborn, am I correct in condensing this properly?

But, according to you, why is human life worth protecting? What makes it immoral to kill a living human being?

(In case anyone's wondering, I've been thinking about this very question myself alot recently, I guess this is just a convenient chance to hear what some other people think)

[Neosutra]

Once we find the gene that makes people gay I would totally support aborting all the potential fags.

But where would we get all of our evangelist then?

[Day]

Pro-choice, Pro-embryonic stem-cell.

This is coming from someone who's been through a botched abortion and a follow up to rectify the fuck up. It was a mistake that should have been carried to term, but we were both young and scared. Judge me all you want, but I still think women should have the right to choose, for many reasons.

[0ni0n]

Once we find the gene that makes people gay I would totally support aborting all the potential fags.

Why stop there?

[Gerrard]

Hi everyone, long time lurker, first time poster. Anyways, for those who are opposed to legalized abortions with the exception of rape, how to do you legitimize someone's claim claim of rape to qualify for an abortion? To me it seems like anyone who would want an abortion would just claim rape no matter their circumstances.

Pro-Choice/pro-stem cell btw

[Eratosthenes]

From what I can see, you argued that it was moral to protect life, whether born or unborn, am I correct in condensing this properly?

But, according to you, why is human life worth protecting? What makes it immoral to kill a living human being?

(In case anyone's wondering, I've been thinking about this very question myself alot recently, I guess this is just a convenient chance to hear what some other people think)

I would say nobody has any right to take anyone else's fate into their own hands. The exception to this is that the life of a fetus is obviously in its mother's hands, because there is no possibility, with current technology, that it can be transferred to another caretaker before it is born. Once that possibility exists, then abortion can be outlawed.

As far as zygotes or blastocysts, they don't really count until they're implanted in the lining of a uterus. After all, sometimes natural blastocysts don't implant and are lost through menstruation. A woman isn't even pregnant until the blastocyst is implanted, so you can't really compare the use of a loose blastocyst for research to an abortion.

[oldoldman]

abortion: destroying an embryo that someone doesn't want to carry to term
embryonic stem cell research: destroying an embryo that someone doesn't want to carry to term

end of topic.

Your opinion is not fucking fact.

I believe that every baby deserves a chance to live. I also believe that we live under a constitution and my personal opinion doesn't matter if said constitution doesn't support it.

[Churchill]

Someone prove to me that Onion isn't the dumbest poster at BG

[Plow]

Someone prove to me that Onion isn't the dumbest poster at BG

If banned people count, I'd point out my old sig.