ATTN: Those who go to campaign as RDM, WHM, SCH, PLD, /SCH, or /WHM.

[Tsukasaz]

So aside from Everyone subbing WHM in Campaign, what you said is pure stupid, There are just some instances where your going to die, i don't care if your a SAM/DNC with Soboro constantly at 300%TP, no amount of Healing Waltz will keep you alive when a Mob NM uses Ore Lob for about 2000 DMG, or Shoulder Tackle for 1k then double attacks you for 400DMG a hit and a Critical for 600+, or That Effing Yagudo Sweep NM move for like 900, or the Special Double kick for 1k and spams it back to back.

Shit happens and sooner or later everyone is going to die in campaign, would it be to hard for you to throw em a bone and raise?

They get raise after the NMs are dead then (if I raise them while the nm is up they're going to die again anyway which is stupid and a waste of MP), if they die trying to solo something, that's too fucking bad, they're taking exp away from me by not allowing me to find that mob, they should have reraise or wait for campaign to end for me to raise them.

Don't get me wrong, when campaign ends I go around and raise everyone since I just go to MH afterwords to replenish mp, but during campaign, it's not my problem.

[Tomiko]

I agree with most of the points made:

I only cast Raise after campaign ends. Buy a fucking reraise item from the NPC or sub something useful is my point on it. I already have to cure and raise people all the time when I play those jobs outside of campaign, fuck if anyone thinks I'll be doing the same thing in it.

The only time I cure other people is if they're tanking NMs or if they're in the range of NPCs when I accession+cure on SCH.

If the person is making a good contribution I'll cure them. If the person is being a dumbass and staying in range of aoe with low hp, then they can die.

I've wasted entirely too much time and mp on "no effect" raises. If I didn't see you die, or you didn't ask me personally, you don't get a raise. Whiny people who think they're entitled to raises can wait for the NPC army to find them.

I think this is one of the main reasons people are hesitant to raise as well.

[Arximiro]

He was bitching about this in the lschat too. STFU Mits you whine ass

[Eldelphia]

I raise a whole heap of peeps all the time. But I don't depend on others doing the same. I usually sch or whm/nin for campaign these days and I have been unlucky and gotten killed before I get rr up more times than I can count.

I've ended up several times duoing with a melee who can solo mobs but who find it one hell of a lot easier with a partner. Usually someone /DNC. I keep them alive, debuff the mob etc and they help me out. Works well. I nuke and live, they hit and live. Also then tend to find they stick with me or at least yell for raises for me should I need em.

At the end of most fights though, the single most useful thing you can do is just shout and see if anyone still needs a raise. It pays off...

Also cuts down on the shell being bombarded with 'can anyone come raise me in Pashlow/arse end of nowhere cos I'm still dead, no one here and no NPCs.

[Sev]

There's a spell in your list called "Raise."

Learn to fucking use it.

Was actually dissapointed to not see this:

There's a ring in the game called "Blitz"

Learn to fucking use it.

They dont wanna use it and don't have to like you and your blitz ring!

[Auronku]

Thing that gets me is when I'm doing campaign as RDM or something that can heal is when someone comes out to join me as like a DRK/WAR, SAM/WAR, or something they clearly wouldn't have come as without having someone to cure their ass.

Granted, I'll toss some support their way, but if you're like me and the only reason you're still doing campaign is to maintain your medal, you want to get through with the shit as soon as possible.

Oh, and this ftw:

When a player goes to Campaign without some form of RR active, they should be humbly thankful to anybody who spends their time and MP raising them -- not presumptuously bitter when they don't. Because, like it or not, Campaign's typically a solo pastime (albeit one which is hidden under the guise of a group effort). No one is obligated to look after your unprepared arse.

So, be grateful when help is given, rather than butthurt when it isn't.


In summary:

There's a facet to your own actions called "responsibility".

Learn to fucking take it.

[Linktri]

Is all this coming from the same people that essentially forced me to pay over 1,000,000 gil when I needed Raise III on WHM? I farmed for a fucking week for that shit.

You all remember that? The vast majority of players found it more acceptable to fuck WHMs deep in the ass rather than cut us a break on a spell that does WHMs no good. The only reason we have it (and some of us older WHMs paid far out the ass for it) is to help everyone else lose less XP. If we didn't have RAISE III the second we were able to use it, ohhhhh the constant stream of shit we got for it.

Well, here's a hearty "fuck you", right back at the general population of FFXI. Campaign is Squeenix's WHM revenge initiative for the price of Raise III about four to five years ago. If you don't get a raise in Campaign, that's the prorated cost of reparations in terms of experience points for having my rectum pried apart by the jaws of life.




Am I really that pissed off about it? Nah. I go to Campaign Battles as BLM/RDM and if I have to HP it, I don't complain at all. I didn't lose any fucking XP.

It's called Karma. Suck it.

[Hoshiku]

kind of an opposite thought but, to all the melee out there who blindly engage a mob just because it's claimed... if you want to fight it be prepared to tank it. i can solo campaign mobs with minimal problems as whm but i'm full timing spirit taker to have mp to keep myself up and i don't have spare mp to keep you alive. my enmity on the mob is pathetic in comparison to yours and when your ass dies i'm going to have to resume tanking, or wipe with you. next time check how many people are on the mob before going for it... i get minimal points for keeping you alive whereas i get really nice points for tanking and you would have gotten the same amount of points from fighting the monster that everyone else was on instead of picking the monster that the white mage was soloing.

[zagex]

every time I do campaign, which is mostly for buffers on jobs, and sometimes so I don't lose another medal, I end up sitting there telling one of my friends how stupid people are in campaign. I'm not going to raise you because I already probably think you're a moron. One of the last campaign fights, I got there partway in, and the first thing I see is a group of about 15-20 people fighting 1 thing. Then I get to the fortification to get tags and I see 5+ yags and the yag NM beating on the fortification. Already I've come to the conclusion that most of the people in that big group of 20 people are either underleveled or are idiots.

So I pull a yag off the fort and start soloing it near them, and when they kill it, they move on to beating up my yag. When someone pulls hate off me, I go off and get a new one... but then I get the bright idea to gravity pull and then pull another yag with a 2nd spell and tank 2 at a time... or sleep one of them, I hadn't quite decided yet. Well, the gravitied yag deaggroed me and aggroed someone in the group. Apparently no one helped that guy because after half a minute I see the guy run off with the yag chasing him... a few minutes later he comes back with the yag still on him.

Conclusion? That bigass group of people is composed of idiots because they don't care about other people, hence I shouldn't care about any of them if they die. I'm not going to waste my time raising someone when I could be doing more productive things like pulling and tanking.

I actually prefer the people who pull single mobs out away from everyone else, but not so far that you can't find the mob. I sometimes like to just pull 1 mob away and solo it down, though if I think that enough time has passed such that most of the other mobs are dead, I'll bring mine back, because I don't want to ruin it for everyone; I just don't want everyone to ruin xp I can get from tanking. I can't hold hate for crap against melee, so the only way I can tank is by tanking something by myself, or against other mages. I wouldn't want to hold a mob such that everyone is waiting on me to kill it while they stand around doing nothing, but I will tank one far away enough that people won't ruin it for me.

I think I sound kind of wordy, but it's kinda late...

[Eldelphia]

Is all this coming from the same people that essentially forced me to pay over 1,000,000 gil when I needed Raise III on WHM? I farmed for a fucking week for that shit.

You all remember that?

I was just pleased it was down to 4-500k by the time I bought it :D

[Thistle]

There's a spell in your list called "Raise."

Learn to fucking use it.

There's a basic job you could level. It's called "WHM".

Go /WHM and you'll have RR.

Problem solved.

I campaign on RDM all the time, and the only time I raise anyone is if I'm bored. It's not worth my MP points-wise, and anyone who Campaigns should damned well be able to take care of themselves.

[Darte]

Also when was the last time you saw someone other than a war sub war? Sure i'll heal when i have the mp to spare (IE: my convert timer is up), but you won't see Cure IV's from me just to start taking beatings from NMs while the rest of you try to duke it out with /nin

On a sidenote: I DO heal paladins, out of all the jobs, they seem most keen on taking and keeping hate. So really its a simple matter, do your damn job and keep shit off the mages and we'll toss you cures.

[Feedmenow]

People complaining about not getting raised:

Do you ask or send /tells for a raise? After the Campaign Battle is over, it's one thing to ignore the body completely when you have MP, but I personally don't pay attention to whether you died recently or not. If you just sent me a tell asking for a raise, I know you need a raise and don't have it already. It works well both ways, from my experience. I die a couple times on PLD/DNC whenever I end up linking a couple mobs, or try tanking an NM. Asking doesn't hurt at all, really, and usually means I get a raise faster.

[The Stig]

Just in. I was in Meriph Mountains as PLD/RDM, I managed to pull one mob and not link the others. Some mage joins in, WHM/BLM (saw him cast Bio).

But because this person was /anon, I wanted to find out his true job, so I /checked him to make sure (he was meleeing with club). He slapped me 5 times, probably a JP. Annoyed by such act of retardation...

I forced DCed myself. And logged back in, near death. This person died in between me DCing... and hohoho, he didn't have RR up. (Yeh, stack on the retardness)

I took pleasure in running back to C.A and warped out. It was only him in the zone too. He was in Whitegate shortly, probably frustrated.

[The Blackrose]

There's a spell in your list called "Raise."

Learn to fucking use it.

I believe the "Bring RR you dumb fuck" answer has become the proverbial beaten horse, so I won't tread there.

However, you want people to actively cure or raise you? Make it worthwhile. Prior to the introduction of the NPC Healers that accompany Campaign units, healing and raising actually got you XP. It was great. But then SE suddenly decided on the philosophy that we were supposed to fight, and thus gimped the shit out of our attainable XP to be gained. Anybody who had DD capacity in their mage jobs suddenly switched to doing damage to pay the bills.

So now I'm supposed to pander to retarded dipshits like you because you want to live a little longer to get better experience at my expense?

There's a feature in the PlayOnline Client that allows you to bitch about things such as letting your "healers" get more exp so they don't get screwed.

Learn to fucking use it.

[Cesaria]

Yup exactly - we spam raises, we spend our time scratching in the ground healing MP back and we get shit exp for it. There's being a decent person and getting people up (usually I'll raise between waves or at the end of the fight) or there's bending over, dropping your trousers and asking to be fucked up the ass by everyone for no reward.

Why the hell should mage jobs come out of campaign with 200 exp so you can come out with 2k+ every single time?

That kind of thinking is why I don't campaign on any fucking mage job anymore btw - and I'm not alone in it.

[The Stig]

If I have to come as a mage, I won't dress up like one =D

[Achika]

This is entirely the reason I started bringing my WHM mule with me. I love being self-reliant. =D

[Not Kuno]

Just in. I was in Meriph Mountains as PLD/RDM, I managed to pull one mob and not link the others. Some mage joins in, WHM/BLM (saw him cast Bio).

But because this person was /anon, I wanted to find out his true job, so I /checked him to make sure (he was meleeing with club). He slapped me 5 times, probably a JP. Annoyed by such act of retardation...

I forced DCed myself. And logged back in, near death. This person died in between me DCing... and hohoho, he didn't have RR up. (Yeh, stack on the retardness)

I took pleasure in running back to C.A and warped out. It was only him in the zone too. He was in Whitegate shortly, probably frustrated.

Nice job. lol

And I thought SE raised the xp you get for casting Raise? It's only just 20? That's pretty terrible for a 1 min recast (or 2 if weakened).

[brisk]

This Learn to fucking use it. reminds me of Mifaco's livejournal entry about BLM/WHM.