Obama - First Black President

[bombard]

So Darus, you truly believe that people wtih more ambition, vision, and drive should be penalized more so people who are less of the above can benefit? If that's the case I want some cake. I'm not going to pay for it, or get up and get it myself, but I want someone who has more money than me to bring it to me since I don't feel like I have to do it for myself.

According to your rational, there should be no reason for someone to start a venture on their own. You're failing to realize the HUGE RISKS involved in being said business owner. If my company was upon hard financial times, would my employees offer to take less wages to help the company? Would they offer to work for free? Since the answer to that is 99.99% of the time is no, then why should it be the business owner's responsibility to 'share the wealth'?

So let me summarize this ...

I make alot of money, I owe you something.
I lose alot of money in a business venture, you owe me nothing.

hmm.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Those people who do all the hard work, are they not compensated?

[0ni0n]

Those people who do all the hard work, are they not compensated?

It really depends on the type of work.

[bombard]

a paycheck?

[Acturus]

a paycheck?

minus the cost of universal healthcare.

[Dimmauk]

LOL@ the crowds outside the White house last night with GTFO signs.

[Saga]

Just wanted to give a Big Old FUCK YOU

To anyone in boston, that decided to go out swimming in the christian science pool after obama won.

Fuck, You.


That is all.

Had 2 of my friends come back to the dorms soaking wet. They told everyone they went swimming in the reflecting pool, I laughed and was like, "really?" One of them looks at me, then, slaps his soaking wet shirt he was holding on to my arm and leaves it there until I threw it off >_> I'm still not surprised, bunch of people were running around in their underwear during Red Sox-Rays Game 6 and jumping in, yelling, no idea why 'cause the game was only in the sixth inning when I got back but yeah, people here are nuts.

[bombard]

minus the cost of universal healthcare.

lol. almost forgot that. and all the other taxes. gogo payroll taxes!

[LD]

The flaw in your argument is that you're equating innovation and entrepreneurism with "hard-work"...that entrepreneur isn't doing it alone...he's not a single rock in an ocean. There's an entire society helping him, and he's just lucky enough to be in a position to take advantage of that for personal advancement. The people who work for him are working just as hard(if not more so) as him, but because he is the one in charge he's earning a disproportionate amount of wealth relative to what he's contributing. That's ignoring all the people not working for him that helped him get to that point(all the public servants, educators, and other small businesses on which he relies on).

He's just in a position to manipulate as I said previously, it doesn't mean he's actually shouldering more of a burden as you imply. The concept that leaders "deserve" more is the fundamental flaw in the modern notion of capitalism. Leading is a job just like any other, and the people who do it should be doing it because they're good at it, not because it gives them disproportionate amount of benefits.

I wasn't implying anything like that, wtf are you talking about? I was saying that even the people who come up from no money are actually put in higher stations by the wealthy, meaning even the people who supposedly 'work' for it only got lucky or were able to get on a rich guys good side.

The second paragraph says that the wealthy should be the ones turning our economy, not the lower classes, because they have the financial strength, weather they 'earned' it or not, to do it more powerfully and reliably. The problem is they aren't.

[Elvis]

LOL@ the crowds outside the White house last night with GTFO signs.

pix?!

[arus2001]

How often do successful businesses properly reward their employees beyond small bonus checks or stupid stuff like a new xerox machine for the office? Can't say I've ever heard of a case where if profits were up x% for one year, all wages were upped x% in kind. One or two guys might get a raise, but is it always who deserved it most?

[Drex]

So Darus, you truly believe that people wtih more ambition, vision, and drive should be penalized more so people who are less of the above can benefit?

Well if we're going to play extremes, then are you arguing that rich people shouldn't pay any taxes and the middle class should be thrown into slavery?

No one's saying "taek all their moniez", but we have a huge deficit and are in dire need of reform in a number of fields. It's going to cost money, and we can't just keep taking out loans to do it. Leaving things as they are is not an option, and taxing the struggling middle class more is not an option.

The wealthy have, in one way or another, benefited from the American system more than the middle class. They are being rewarded for their hard work with money and financial security (if they aren't dumb with it, anyway...). No one is suggesting that we should tax them until they drop to the middle class. Removal of a tax cut is not going to suddenly take your mansion and revert it to a 2 bedroom-2 bath, nor is it going to rip the engine out of your sports car. You *should* feel obligated to give back to the system that allowed you to thrive in the first place. It's how America was meant to work.

I'm not advocating pure socialism, gogoMarx, etc, but pure capitalism doesn't work either. You need a balance, and the country as it stands now needs money. The country put you in a position to make the money you have now, and now, when it needs your help, you won't give a little more back? That is greed.

[Beckwin]

can all these wannabe objectivists get the fuck out of this topic?

[Acturus]

How often do successful businesses properly reward their employees beyond small bonus checks or stupid stuff like a new xerox machine for the office? Can't say I've ever heard of a case where if profits were up x% for one year, all wages were upped x% in kind. One or two guys might get a raise, but is it always who deserved it most?

So, which corporations do you think will get their "raises" for all of the "profits" the Obama campaign generated?

[Cow_k]

I was definitely pro-Obama through all of this, but if anything good came out of this, it's that I can go 4 years without having to worry about seeing Palin in a position of major power.

[Beckwin]

the obama campaign employed a good number of people and spent donations on a variety of things (advertising of all forms, travel costs, event costs, etc). do you have a point or is being a shitty bitter conservatard the new in thing?

[lysol]

I was listening to the radio last night and couldn't help but laugh at some of the callers. People calling in saying such things as oooh yes baby obama gonna take care of me pay my mortgage my gas etc.. Through the course of a couple hours calls like this were quite frequent and to be honest it makes me sad because so many think obama = free ride

[Cow_k]

Obama quite literally has the weight of the world on his shoulders. By promising change he's set himself up for a major challenge that could very well blow up in his own face when he ends up stuck with problems outside of his own control. Take a look at Russia and their immediate demands and the man isn't even sworn in yet.

Also, the free ride Obama people frustrate me, but the good number of people claiming that Obama shouldn't have won because it means continued legalized abortion is just.... ugh. How have these people not heard of back street coat hanger abortion clinics etc. etc.? I've just heard so many people complaining about how the whole nation is damned because of the murder of thousands of babies that it's starting to drive me batty.

[Suited Aces]

How often do successful businesses properly reward their employees beyond small bonus checks or stupid stuff like a new xerox machine for the office? Can't say I've ever heard of a case where if profits were up x% for one year, all wages were upped x% in kind. One or two guys might get a raise, but is it always who deserved it most?

Profit-sharing is a pretty standard business practice.

[0ni0n]

aka. competitive salary or incentive based salary.