Obama - First Black President

[zoobernut]

IIRC they say that about every president when they first get elected until they are sworn in. It is a distinction because Bush is still the president until January 20th and Obama is not the president until then.

[Acturus]

what's up with the news always saying "President Elect Obama" instead of just "President Obama"? it's like they dont even recognize him as president.

did they say this for every president too when they get elected for 1st time?

It's a common term for many elected officials because there is a period of time between the election and the inaguration.

When speaking to him directly though, he is still called Mr. President, not "Mr. President Elect".

[Correction]

You seem to be latched on to the idea that because Ayers was a founding member he must've been the devious mastermind behind all WU actions, but I've yet to see any real evidence of that... in fact the nature of the group would defy a rigid hierarchy, in theory at least.

Journal of Social History: Fugitive Days; A Memoir - Book Review

While Ayers effectively portrays the social environment and events which pushed him to activism, he undermines his account, ironically, by skipping lightly over many of those events in which he himself played a leading role. For example, Ayers passes in silence over the rise of Weatherman politics. He fails to mention that SDS's final national convention elected him National Education Secretary. Indeed, Ayers skips directly from the Chicago demonstrations at the 1968 National Democratic Convention to that June 1969 SDS convention. But this was precisely the period in which Ayers rose to national prominence as an SDS leader. As head of a mid-west SDS regional faction, the "Jesse James Gang,"--unnamed in his account--Ayers contributed decisively to Weatherman's militant action orientation. Instead of forthrightly discussing this, however, Ayers limply reports that at the June convention "a piece of SDS regrouped around a dense and difficult tract"--the Weatherman position paper (p.140). Ayers similarly downplay s his leadership role in the period between the June convention and the March 1970 townhouse explosion. It was during this period that SDS's Weatherman leadership alienated the bulk of SDS's membership and finally scuttled the largest white radical organization in the country. Ayers hints at these events and their underpinning: "we felt, personally and specifically, the full weight of the catastrophe unfolding before us.... But because we were so young, much of what we did was wildly unruly and disruptive" (p.140).

The man chose to be violent. He drove others to violence. The creation of bombs under his militant ideology got people killed.

Fuck Bill Ayers.

Maybe you like these things because you're so far left you've forgotten the value of human life in the face of your personal pursuit of social justice. But don't caricature what I was saying as 'hurr terrerst' because honestly it doesn't make you look any smarter.

[kuronosan]

Human life is so valuable that collateral damage is perfectly acceptable too as long as you're defending your interests right?

So I guess we can't be construed as terrorizing the Iraqis or Syrians because we're technically defending our interests and even the civilians are collateral damage right?

God damn. Even if Ayers committed serious crimes against buildings, people seem to think terrorism only applies to our enemies when it's applied to anyone who commits an act of terror - including US - shit I don't even need to remind you of the atrocities some of the Revolutionaries committed... even the first few presidents. And yet, people are talking about one guy who blew up some fucking buildings and monuments when hundreds of people throughout history have killed hundreds.

Hey, guess what, 10 years ago I was friends with a guy who used to be a white supremacist and lynched about 4 guys he called "niggers". Guess that makes me a white supremacist with that logic, right?

[Correction]

So I guess we can't be construed as terrorizing the Iraqis or Syrians because we're technically defending our interests and even the civilians are collateral damage right?

What? When did I say this?

I don't even need to remind you of the atrocities some of the Revolutionaries committed... even the first few presidents.

Or pretend to ignore this?

Hey, guess what, 10 years ago I was friends with a guy who used to be a white supremacist and lynched about 4 guys he called "niggers". Guess that makes me a white supremacist with that logic, right?

Or attempt to tarnish another person with Bill Ayers' personal actions? And for that matter, why are you friends with an admitted murderer?

[kuronosan]

....Hypothetical situation...

edit: and my apologies, I thought the point you were trying to make was that Obama knowing Ayers means that he practices his ideology - also I took your human life quote out of context, as I did not realize you were specifically talking to Beckwin. I thought you were talking in general about Ayers, as in he did not value human life.

I made a pretty ignorant rebuttal, at best, and was attempting to show that Ayers has not been the only American terrorist. I simply don't understand why Ayers is so specifically targeted when there's been many terrorists over American history (Aaron Burr, John Calhoun, even John Q. Adams to an extent).

[Maxxthepenguin]

YouTube - Joe Scarborough drops F-word on his morning MSNBC news show

Fuck yeah live TV

[Beckwin]

Journal of Social History: Fugitive Days; A Memoir - Book Review



The man chose to be violent. He drove others to violence. The creation of bombs under his militant ideology got people killed.

Fuck Bill Ayers.

Maybe you like these things because you're so far left you've forgotten the value of human life in the face of your personal pursuit of social justice. But don't caricature what I was saying as 'hurr terrerst' because honestly it doesn't make you look any smarter.

I never doubted that he pushed toward destructiveness and some degree of violence, as that's been well established. I'm questioning how much involvement he had in the Fort Dix plan that was never carried out. And sorry, you're gonna have to do more than say he was an influential member to convince me that he forced people to be a part of the group. It's a shame anyone died, but they were consciously involved so you trying to pin their deaths solely on Ayers is childish and only supports the "HURRR TERREST!!!!!!!!111!!!" characterization of your shitty points.

Now you're making really lame emotional appeal about me not valuing human life. Great job. Tell me I hate freedom next.

[Correction]

You hate freedom.

Fag.

[Dimmauk]

Top GOP insider speaks about the election.

“I think the Republican ticket represented too much of the status quo, too much of what had gone on in these last eight years, that Americans were kind of shaking their heads like going, wait a minute, how did we run up a $10 trillion debt in a Republican administration? How have there been blunders with war strategy under a Republican administration?”
“If we’re talking change, we want to get far away from what it was that the present administration represented, and that is to a great degree what the Republican Party at the time had been representing. So people desiring change, I think, went as far from the administration that is presently seated as they could. It's amazing that we did as well as we did.” Palin said.

[Beckwin]

so now she's saying John McCain isn't a maverick?

oh lord lolololo

[Dimmauk]

so now she's saying John McCain isn't a maverick?

oh lord lolololo

Yeah I laughed at what she said too.

[Deftscythe]

Calling bullshit. That is way too coherent to be anything Palin said.

[Dimmauk]

Calling bullshit. That is way too coherent to be anything Palin said.

Palin reflects on her run: Gov. Sarah Palin | adn.com

[Maxxthepenguin]

She's quite coherent when she talks about things she knows about.

Which kind of makes you pause when you saw how incoherent she was on the subject of newspapers.

[Beckwin]

Pentagon board says cuts essential - The Boston Globe

oh yeah. this bodes well for Mr. Obama. Cut military spending, close Gitmo, reverse some 200 bush actions/policies, some 80 federal court appointments, and plz plz plz get out of Iraq asap... man it's crazy to have stuff to look forward to.

[ZarakiKujata]

She's quite coherent when she talks about things she knows about.

Which kind of makes you pause when you saw how incoherent she was on the subject of newspapers.

I think the incoherence on the subject of newspapers is partly because she did not want to reveal how fucking wingnut her reading material really is, on the other hand how fucking hard would it have been to just drop any of the 50 newsmagazines she had her picture on the front cover of in the previous month... which I think is proof of the shit coming out from the McCain campaign about how she didnt prep for the interview.. which means they are telling the truth about her not knowing about Africa/NATO etc?!

[Plow]

I think the incoherence on the subject of newspapers is partly because she did not want to reveal how fucking wingnut her reading material really is, on the other hand how fucking hard would it have been to just drop any of the 50 newsmagazines she had her picture on the front cover of in the previous month... which I think is proof of the shit coming out from the McCain campaign about how she didnt prep for the interview.. which means they are telling the truth about her not knowing about Africa/NATO etc?!

I don't think it's that it's "wingnut," I think it's that she's retarded and the deepest reading she ever does is cosmo. I mean honestly, if you can't think of Time, or Newsweek, or "the newspaper," it's pretty highly doubtful you're out there reading "Joe the Rightwinger's Hyperconservative Manifesto Weekly."

[Day]

I honestly think she thought it was a trick question.

[Beckwin]

gosh-dern gotcha media

real mavericks don't read, trick question!