Obama - First Black President

[Churchill]

yeah sadly we're still a capitalist society with an institution that protects the rich above all others.

but maybe obama can change that.

Obama is a Capitalist, so my guess is no.

To answer the question of what Republicans will do, well here's my thoughts:

If Obama does poorly, you're going to see more neocons in office.

If Obama does really well in office, he's going to be re-elected and the 2012 election will likely be neocons again and that same type of agenda, once we get to 2016 if Obama is still doing well I have a pretty good feeling the Paul/Libertarian portion of the Republican (and Libertarian Parties) would come together and have more influence.

Though that's assuming that the Republicans or the Democrats would allow a person in office who would 180 the Presidency. I think it's more likely the neocons tone themselves down, present a Bush-like candidate who can appear to be one thing and do another in office.

What I'd hope for is the legitimacy of a third-party with Libertarian minded leaders who weren't full of shit.

Edit: Socialism, Communism, Capitalism, Democracy, whatever. Put a name on a form of government present in the world today and it's all a means to control wealth and maintain power lol.

[Aerin]

What do JFK and Obama have in common? Nothing... yet. ZING

Let's hope it stays that way.

[guartz]

Ants don't operate in a community, they operate as a collective colony.

but it's a real ant commune!

BWAHAHHA HAHA HAH,

oh lordly that was funn-E

[Beckwin]

Communism is state authoritarian style, communism is the Marxist endgame. or vice-versa, but you have to acknowledge a difference.

and you know that the "fairness" of contracts ultimately fails, right? not to mention the idea of equal rights/protection in a capitalist system, right?

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Obama is a Capitalist, so my guess is no.

To answer the question of what Republicans will do, well here's my thoughts:

If Obama does poorly, you're going to see more neocons in office.

If Obama does really well in office, he's going to be re-elected and the 2012 election will likely be neocons again and that same type of agenda, once we get to 2016 if Obama is still doing well I have a pretty good feeling the Paul/Libertarian portion of the Republican (and Libertarian Parties) would come together and have more influence.

Though that's assuming that the Republicans or the Democrats would allow a person in office who would 180 the Presidency. I think it's more likely the neocons tone themselves down, present a Bush-like candidate who can appear to be one thing and do another in office.

What I'd hope for is the legitimacy of a third-party with Libertarian minded leaders who weren't full of shit.

Fox just said Jindal has plans to go to Iowa this month. In the context of that it seemed they were inferring he was getting ready for 2012.

[Rocl]

Hasn't he been around for a long time on a different account?

Yes

[Kiro]

Aw, really? WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME?!

What is it? >_>

[Rocl]

Well, that would be telling

[Ishido]

Aw, really? WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME?!

What is it? >_>

Can't remember but I think his avatar or sig or something has something of the fear&loathing whatever he used to have.

[Kiro]

Goddamnit you guys suck as detectives.

[Yugl]

I agree with Churchill that the Republican party is going to have to reform its policies if it wishes to stay competitive with Democrats. Based on the voting pattern differences with age, it would seem that the Republican's grasp is just going to continually slip until there is nothing left. In fact, it's similar to the Communist (Soviet) party in Russia which has continued to slip due to the elderly groups slowly disappearing (As opposed to just a sudden drop in votes after the fall of the Soviet Union). Now of course the Russian Communist and US Republican party are not the same in terms of ideology, but the voting trends are similar (Though more extreme in the Russian case).

[guartz]

Communism is state authoritarian style, communism is the Marxist endgame. or vice-versa, but you have to acknowledge a difference.

and you know that the "fairness" of contracts ultimately fails, right? not to mention the idea of equal rights/protection in a capitalist system, right?

oh I see what your doing. Taking the moral high road, right?

I'll indulge you. Since there IS no system, you are right. There are no guarantees.

But let's look at it this way, what am I really doing if I put a gun to your head and ask for a "donation" to say, clothe the poor?

I say no system without guarantees is better then a system that guarantees violence, coercion, theft and murder.

[Elvis]

So now that Barry won, I want to see how he handles:

Healthcare
Israel-Palestine conflict
Iraq/Iran

[guartz]

So now that Barry won, I want to see how he handles:

Healthcare
Israel-Palestine conflict
Iraq/Iran

who the hell is berry?

[Maxxthepenguin]

Hirronimous is escapevagina

[tyven]

who the hell is berry?

you know, beary

[Churchill]

Healthcare - Won't bother with this, we all know my views.

Israel-Palestine conflict - He's going to suck jew cock and refuse to see the merits of the Palestinian argument because he will get killed if he attempts to.

Iraq/Iran - Iraq is won as far as it's going to get won, as we start to pull out, violence will increase again but it's something that has to happen. If he takes credit for anything I'm going to call him a piece of shit, but other than that I think Iraq is a non-issue and should have been this whole time.

Iran, well...I'm fairly confident in my assessment that Obama's Iran plan is similar to McCain's, he just wasn't flagrantly inflammatory about it.

The lack of change in foreign policy is one of the largest reasons I didn't vote for anyone. I'd rather not trade fighting Iraq for fighting Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Sudan.

[Kwijiboe]

What are your views on healthcare? Haven't seen you here in a while.. did you used to have a ballaciraptor or something?

[guartz]

no no, healthcare is a good subject.

From what i've read, he's not really gonna "change" anything important. Just a few details here and there. If you are a dumbass who doesn't know how private health insurance works, you are still gonna stay uninsured.

[#686578]

Anyone else see Ralph Nader self destruct on Fox News? Holy shit lol

I read and saw that no one has a link for this yet, but if you find it please pass the word along via PM.