My co-worker was attacked by a dog...

[altwight]

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[Kiro]

Best South Park episode ever.

[fantasticdan]

Maybe you shouldn't have pissed off the dog, or been left alone with it, or had it trained properly?

You could try reading what I posted before discussing it. I wasn't alone, I was with my dad in our living room. The dog was in the next room over, which was separated by a divider to keep him from getting into the living room in the first place, which he obviously jumped over. And no, I wasn't bothering the dog, I was sitting on the floor playing with toys. This dog had grown up since it was a puppy in the same house with me, and had been entirely friendly with me, and as far as I know, everyone else up until that incident.

Since you skipped the question in my last post, exactly what type of training should this dog have had to prevent this?

[Izzy]

You could try reading what I posted before discussing it. I wasn't alone, I was with my dad in our living room. The dog was in the next room over, which was separated by a divider to keep him from getting into the living room in the first place, which he obviously jumped over. And no, I wasn't bothering the dog, I was sitting on the floor playing with toys. This dog had grown up since it was a puppy in the same house with me, and had been entirely friendly with me, and as far as I know, everyone else up until that incident.

Since you skipped the question in my last post, exactly what type of training should this dog have had to prevent this?

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I'm going to show you this picture again, then you can tell me about how ALL AGGRESSIVE BREEDS ARE BEYOND SAVING WE SHOULD KILL THEM ALL!!!

[Koyuki]

You could try reading what I posted before discussing it. I wasn't alone, I was with my dad in our living room. The dog was in the next room over, which was separated by a divider to keep him from getting into the living room in the first place, which he obviously jumped over. And no, I wasn't bothering the dog, I was sitting on the floor playing with toys. This dog had grown up since it was a puppy in the same house with me, and had been entirely friendly with me, and as far as I know, everyone else up until that incident.

Since you skipped the question in my last post, exactly what type of training should this dog have had to prevent this?

I have to ask, how the fuck do you remember that much at 3 or 4? I can't even remember what I had for dinner last night. Let alone what I was doing at the age of 3.

[fantasticdan]

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I'm going to show you this picture again, then you can tell me about how ALL AGGRESSIVE BREEDS ARE BEYOND SAVING WE SHOULD KILL THEM ALL!!!

Strawman much? I never made any such argument. I only posted my own experience, and asked WHY people want to keep these kinds of dogs as PETS. I'm sure if we trained small wildcats or wolves really well, we could keep them as pets safely most of the time too, that doesn't mean we should.

And to hiroko, the idea that all breeds of dogs are just as susceptible to becoming aggressive as a result of bad care, abuse, etc. is bullshit. If you put a small amount of effort into researching the topic, you'd find that the majority of dog attacks in the US are by pitbulls and rottweilers. Do pitbulls and rottweilers by themselves make up the majority of pet dogs? No, not even close.

I have to ask, how the fuck do you remember that much at 3 or 4? I can't even remember what I had for dinner last night. Let alone what I was doing at the age of 3.

I only vaguely remember the incident, and the dog at all really, I'm going by my parents accounts. Considering my parents have been separated for about 15 years, and didn't even get along back than, I can't imagine they'd both lie about it with the exact same details after this many years.

[Izzy]

If you put a small amount of effort into researching the topic, you'd find that the majority of dog attacks in the US are by pitbulls and rottweilers.

Look at the majority of dog owners who own pitbulls and rottweilers and what they use the dogs for. Obviously the numbers are going to lean that way.

[Kerberoz]

Are you actually trying to deny that certain breeds were selected for aggression?

[Lee]

Those types of dogs are the best when they're well raised/tamed... When they aren't they really are annoying and dangerous.

[Lordwafik]

I have to ask, how the fuck do you remember that much at 3 or 4? I can't even remember what I had for dinner last night. Let alone what I was doing at the age of 3.

Not everyone's the same, I remember things back when I still wasn't able to speak english (I was brought up learning two languages, arabic and english, and learned english slightly after). I'd have to have been late2 early 3 at that point in time.

[mootsfox]

I have to ask, how the fuck do you remember that much at 3 or 4? I can't even remember what I had for dinner last night. Let alone what I was doing at the age of 3.

Maybe his dad just wanted to kill the dog and that was the easiest story?

[Dezzimal]

I'm in the boat with fantasticdan, if that story is true, snapping the dog's neck was definitely an acceptable course of action. His kid just got mauled, the dog is definitely not trustworthy around children and not worth rehabilitating due to the risk of a relapse. I'd have gone the old yeller route with a shotgun slug.

[fantasticdan]

Maybe his dad just wanted to kill the dog and that was the easiest story?

Yeah, my mom and the hospital she brought me to must have been in on it as well, good call. There's no way an unprovoked dog could attack a kid like that, animals are perfect and peaceful until corrupted by man.

Are you actually trying to deny that certain breeds were selected for aggression?

Yeah right dude, there's no way dogs specifically bred to be aggressive could be more prone to aggressive behavior. That's just dog racism.

[Izzy]

Are you actually trying to deny that certain breeds were selected for aggression?

Yea, and black people's DNA make them more apt to rape women and murder right?

Do you see what you're saying now?

[jmc]

Yeah, my mom and the hospital she brought me to must have been in on it as well, good call. There's no way an unprovoked dog could attack a kid like that, animals are perfect and peaceful until corrupted by man.



Yeah right dude, there's no way dogs specifically bred to be aggressive could be more prone to aggressive behavior. That's just dog racism.

German Shepherds are bred for aggression? (referring to the "half" shepherd)

No, they are TRAINED to be aggressive.

[Pikarya]

Yea, and black people's DNA make them more apt to rape women and murder right?

Do you see what you're saying now?

I agree, saying an animal coming out of the womb is naturally "aggressive" due to genetics is fucking retarded. But let the uneducated be I suppose.

[Shade]

I'm more of a proponent of good owners making good dogs, but this is related and interesting.

There have been experiments done with foxes, selectively breeding for "tameness". They took the animals with the shortest flight distance / least amount of fear or aggressive behavior exhibited towards their human captors, and bred those animals together. By the tenth generation, nearly twenty percent of all foxes were friendly and quite tame. From this article:

"As the experiment continued, something else began to happen. By generations eight and ten, the foxes started developing spots. Some of them were even marked like border collies. Some foxes developed shorter legs and tails than the wild type, while others had tails that curled over their backs. Even more unusually, a few vixens had estrus cycles longer than normal, and a few also had estrus cycles twice a year. All of these traits are traits of domestic animals."

So... tameness is not only something that you can selectively breed for, but also something that is tied genetically to other physical traits. If you can breed for tameness, you can probably breed the other way... no?

[fantasticdan]

Yea, and black people's DNA make them more apt to rape women and murder right?

Do you see what you're saying now?

Black people weren't selectively bred for hundreds of years for specific traits, I can't believe you're even trying to make that comparison.

I agree, saying an animal coming out of the womb is naturally "aggressive" due to genetics is fucking retarded. But let the uneducated be I suppose.

No one is saying every dog from an aggressive breed is going to be aggressive purely due to genetics, but if you don't think dogs selectively bred for aggressive behavior, aren't more likely to be aggressive than a breed that wasn't, than you're an idiot.

German Shepherds are bred for aggression? (referring to the "half" shepherd)

No, they are TRAINED to be aggressive.

They were bred to attack predators like wolves, and assert dominance over animals like sheep, how is that not aggressive?

[Norellicus]

I'm more of a proponent of good owners making good dogs, but this is related and interesting.

There have been experiments done with foxes, selectively breeding for "tameness". They took the animals with the shortest flight distance / least amount of fear or aggressive behavior exhibited towards their human captors, and bred those animals together. By the tenth generation, nearly twenty percent of all foxes were friendly and quite tame. From this article:

"As the experiment continued, something else began to happen. By generations eight and ten, the foxes started developing spots. Some of them were even marked like border collies. Some foxes developed shorter legs and tails than the wild type, while others had tails that curled over their backs. Even more unusually, a few vixens had estrus cycles longer than normal, and a few also had estrus cycles twice a year. All of these traits are traits of domestic animals."

So... tameness is not only something that you can selectively breed for, but also something that is tied genetically to other physical traits. If you can breed for tameness, you can probably breed the other way... no?

This is the point I was making earlier.

Yes, animals can be aggressive out of the womb. It's hardwired to them.

There's a story somewhere (I tried to find it, but my google-fu is weak) about some chinese monks or something doing an experiment and bringing up a wildcat as an herbivore. Six years they raised it eating nothing but vegetables, and it was perfectly happy with it; it was mild as a housecat during that time, too. They then turned it loose back to the pride they captured it from. Within a week it was eating meat regularly, two weeks it was hunting on its own. They had to tranq it to bring it back in because it tried to assault them when they approached (it was alone, hunting separately from the pride).

Training suppresses instinct, and I have no doubt that well trained dogs of any breed can be kind and gentle. But some of them naturally lean toward aggression simply because of their bloodlines, and all it takes is one freak incident for them to snap and kill somebody. Meanwhile, there are plenty of breeds that either don't have nearly the same raw power in their physique to put a human at risk, or just simply don't act aggressive unless severely provoked and conditioned.

[yayaok]

i thought america was a land where owning guns was legal shouldve shot the fucker, glad the children arnt hurt