California Proposition 8 Case Re-Opening Online Petition

[bombard]

wait, wut?

But seriously, this is by far my least favorite argument of all when it comes to the people supporting a ban on gay marriage. It may not be the most illogical, nor the most offensive, but by god (oops, irony) it is the most annoying fucking thing to read. I hate to use the interracial marriage argument because it's so overused, but really, does the phrase "White people can marry within their race, black people can marry within their race, everyone has the same opportunity," make any fucking sense? No. It does not.

I do believe the issue is same sex marriages, not something from 50+ years ago. Gender/sexual preference =/= race. Two totally different things. Sure the underlying subject of marriage is the same, the reasons behind both are totally different. One was racially fueled by asshats who were still all pissed about slavery being abolished. Oh noes, I have to pay people to wait on me, work in my fields etc WHAT AM I GONNA DO!!!.

This one is a church vs. state argument, fueled more by religion it seems. Please do not mix the two, since the origins are totally different.

[archibaldcrane]

They both have the same right to marry the opposite sex. They both have the same rights.

Men can marry women. Women can not marry women.

How are the rights the same again? One can do it, the other can't. Your argument is holier than Jesus in a vat of swiss cheese.

[bombard]

Thanks for your input, I'm glad you took the time to contribute.



Yes, when they make a vote based on bigotry, they are wrong.

Explain the NAACP to me then. where is the NAAWP? or the NAALP, or NAAwhatevernationyouclaimonyourW2'shereP?

Spare me the history lecture. No one should be discriminated for or against, based on rave, religion, creed, etc.

Oh btw, thanks for more snide responses. When you stop hiding behind sarcasm and contribute your beliefs to the discussion, take them elsewhere.

[archibaldcrane]

Gender =/= race.

Yeah, it takes people much longer to get equal rights based on gender. Black suffrage was in 1865, it took women until 1920. So let's see - that's 55 years.

Blacks were granted interracial marriage in 1967, so by the same formula gender discrimination in marriage should end in 2022.

Sounds like a pretty reasonable estimate. Can't we just skip the waiting though? I thought sexism was behind us a long time ago.

[Tricen]

Snide remarks and sarcasm on my internet?! More likely than you think.

[Valisk]

Men can marry women. Women can not marry women.

How are the rights the same again? One can do it, the other can't. Your argument is holier than Jesus in a vat of swiss cheese.

Aurik is that you? You know two accounts is forbidden ;-P

Men can marry opposite sex. Men can't marry same sex.
Women can marry opposite sex. Women can't marry same sex.

Looks identical to me.

I'm bringing back up the besiality thing again. What can't I marry my dog? Because their are bestiality laws. Why are their bestiality laws? Because the govt deems human and animal relations unappropriate. What can't homosexuals get married? Because the govt deems male and male relations unappropriate. It's all about discretiton.

[Tristam]

Sarcasm on the internet???

*grabs phone*

GET ME THE PRESIDENT!!!

[aurik]

Explain the NAACP to me then. where is the NAAWP? or the NAALP, or NAAwhatevernationyouclaimonyourW2'shereP?

Spare me the history lecture. No one should be discriminated for or against, based on rave, religion, creed, etc.

Oh btw, thanks for more snide responses. When you stop hiding behind sarcasm and contribute your beliefs to the discussion, take them elsewhere.

Rhetorical remarks that beg the question are way better than sarcasm and satire at communicating a point. Just ask political cartoonists.

[Julian]

You did not just make that comparison.

[Tristam]

Aurik is that you? You know two accounts is forbidden ;-P

Men can marry opposite sex. Men can't marry same sex.
Women can marry opposite sex. Women can't marry same sex.

Looks identical to me.

I'm bringing back up the besiality thing again. What can't I marry my dog? Because their are bestiality laws. Why are their bestiality laws? Because the govt deems human and animal relations unappropriate. What can't homosexuals get married? Because the govt deems male and male relations unappropriate. It's all about discretiton.

Except bestiality is defined as a crime against nature, how do you know your dog wants to marry you?

edit: I actually feel like an idiot for responding to this post. dammit.

[aurik]

Aurik is that you? You know two accounts is forbidden ;-P

Men can marry opposite sex. Men can't marry same sex.
Women can marry opposite sex. Women can't marry same sex.

Looks identical to me.

Blacks can marry blacks. Blacks can't marry non-blacks.
Whites can marry whites. Whites can't marry non-whites.

Looks identical to me.

I'm bringing back up the besiality thing again. What can't I marry my dog? Because their are bestiality laws. Why are their bestiality laws? Because the govt deems human and animal relations unappropriate. What can't homosexuals get married? Because the govt deems male and male relations unappropriate. It's all about discretiton.

You can't marry a dog because dogs are incapable of informed consent. It's the same reason you can't have sex with a dog, or marry a child, or drink/smoke under the age of 18.

[archibaldcrane]

Looks identical to me.

That's because you're fucking retarded.

We get it, you're a proud bigot and you aren't alone. Congratulations.

[Correction]

What can't homosexuals get married? Because the govt deems male and male relations unappropriate. It's all about discretiton.

Orly?

LAWRENCE V. TEXAS

[Valisk]

You did not just make that comparison.

Wasnt really comparing them directly. Was more of showing how they arrived at both of their conclusions. "Because the gov't deems them inappropriate" and doesn't need any more justification pass there.

[Tristam]

I feel better now that others have responded to the bestiality comparison lol. Thanks guys!

[Lurking Badger]

And when someone gets a ban for trolling, it is because the mods find their posts inappropriate.

[archibaldcrane]

It's not an issue of impropriety, it's of informed consent. Informed consent is why you can't marry your dog, or a child, or a person in a vegetative state.

I wasn't aware that people are only able to give informed consent to marriage if the person requesting is of the opposite sex.

If the government deems homosexual relations so "unappropriate" (lol) then why are civil unions allowed between same-sex couples?

"Because the government said so" is terrible circular logic.

[Valisk]

That's because you're fucking retarded.

We get it, you're a proud bigot and you aren't alone. Congratulations.

Ok thank you. I get it. I'm a bigot. Now GTFO so I can debate this with people who are actually arguing for points rather than my label.

[Correction]

And when someone gets a ban for trolling, it is because the mods find their posts inappropriate.

Trolling bans are handed out when trolls ignore specific warnings to stop shitting up a thread with irrelevant derails. Valisk hasn't done that yet, he's just arguing that homos are less worthy than straight people :D

[Valisk]

Orly?

LAWRENCE V. TEXAS

Touche. I'll amend my comment to Unappropriate for marriage*