California Proposition 8 Case Re-Opening Online Petition

[cotners]

If they really made it illegal now would already successful marriages be removed from the record? I would think they would at least allow those who are already married on paper before making it illegal get away with it to compensate especially if by a small margin.

It has not been decided yet if existing marriages would be dissolved or not.

[Maaglin]

There's nothing stopping homosexuals from getting married in every traditional sense of the word. They can have a ceromony, reception, get a power of attorney, etc, and live a married lifestyle.

The only thing they don't get are the government (tax payers) benefits (not rights, benefits) that come with the state recognizing your marriage. The government hands out beneifts all the time based on discrimination, it's bascially what makes them benefits and I don't see any outcry over that.

[Xenega]

No, the marriages are annulled.
It is a constitutional amendment to describe a marriage as only being recognized as a man and a woman.

I don't know when this will happen, I just know it will. I can't even imagine all the sudden not being married anymore...

And, I agree with helping/joining an organization to fight it. I've been involved in some rallies so far, and will be in some soon. But, I think that the online petition is a good way for people to have somewhat of another chance at a say, and see all the people saying it as well. (if it counts).
I believe the petition was put up yesterday, but I'm not sure. the numbers are a lot higher than I would have expected so far.

[KuaiEQ]

fuck fags i dont want my kids to think 2 dudes can get pregnant and poop out a baby

[oldoldman]

Seriously, it was voted on and it got banned. So how do you get past that? THE COURT SYSTEM OF COURSE!

[Xenega]

fuck fags i dont want my kids to think 2 dudes can get pregnant and poop out a baby

And this is exactly the attitude that feeds discrimination unfortunately...
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[Exoduso]

Seriously, it was voted on and it got banned. So how do you get past that? THE COURT SYSTEM OF COURSE!

haha seriously..

[Xenega]

I personally think it's nice we actually have the option to bring the cause to the court system.
I'm sure if your right to marry was taken away you would try to do something about it too.

[Ksandra]

I need to make a petition to reexamine McCain. You know, even though it was voted on, and Barack won, the majority is meaningless and I'll fight with an awesome petition. If the people put their efforts into getting people to vote, it may have made a difference. I can almost assure you that everyone who has signed or will sign that petition didn't vote. I'm sure a lot did, or even most, but not all of them. There's just something that really irritates me that people want to completely ignore the political process. They did the right thing, put it to vote. It passed. If we went back and reexamined every bill that the minority disagreed with, our taxes would increase tenfold paying for the bullshit to cycle through.

I think the major problem with that is technically prop 8 should have had a 60% vote to pass like in florida. AFAIK any amendment of that sort has to be <60% not <50%. Yet somehow that was overlooked? I really don't understand how they got away with it, and hopefully it'll get overruled.



Meian, I am the same way, churches should not be forced to marry two people if it's against their religion, but that can't happen anyways, I have nothing wrong with them getting the certificate and benefits for it from the state though.

[Correction]

Because he can't have a different opinion mirite?

Not when his opinion makes him a fucking idiot.

[Demosthenes11]

If popular vote shouldn't make the call, what should?

I know you aren't this stupid. Mob rule is always correct right? Jim Crow laws were outstanding, why would the supreme court ever intervene and change those!

Fucking ridiculous prop 8 passed here, and I'm going to start shooting every proponent of prop 8 I meet

[Zosi]

I know you aren't this stupid. Mob rule is always correct right? Jim Crow laws were outstanding, why would the supreme court ever intervene and change those!

Amen. Our constitution exists precisely to PROTECT people from mob rule, and an amendment designed to specifically deny rights to a certain group for religious reasons is absolutely disgusting.

[archibaldcrane]

Seriously, it was voted on and it got banned. So how do you get past that? THE COURT SYSTEM OF COURSE!

Yeah, fuck gender equality, I don't even know why women can vote.

And don't even get me started on race-traitor whites and their marriages to sub-human mud-people from the dark continent. I'm glad that the majority here in 1966 is against such nonsense. I hope no judges come along and start giving those darkies legal rights, damn those activist judges.



People who voted for prop 8, and similar props in other states, will be embarrassed in 30 years when their kids ask them about the gay rights movement.

Get on board, the tide is turning. The Mormon church can only spend 20 million in misleading and deceitful advertising to shoot down gay marriage so many times.

[Denchi]

I don't endorse homosexuality, so why should I endorse a proposition that makes it legal for them to marry? I'm sure that's what plenty of people think.......

Is the prop trying to ban legal rights to gay couples? Or simply marriages within churches?

[Septimus]

There's nothing stopping homosexuals from getting married in every traditional sense of the word. They can have a ceromony, reception, get a power of attorney, etc, and live a married lifestyle.

The only thing they don't get are the government (tax payers) benefits (not rights, benefits) that come with the state recognizing your marriage. The government hands out beneifts all the time based on discrimination, it's bascially what makes them benefits and I don't see any outcry over that.

That is sort of like saying "You don't need a real plant, get a plastic plant. Sure it doesn't grow or produce oxygen, but it looks like a plant." The fact that people are being discriminated against is the whole reason for an outcry. It's like if the government told people that they couldn't get married to someone because he/she was of a different race. Oh wait...

If gay couples got free health care while straight couples had to pay, do you think that straight couples would be happy? Do you think that they would have the right to be outraged they they were being treated worse than other people? Obviously not, because those would be benefits!

Marriage is a clusterfuck, the government should be happy that anyone is willing to endure it. Anyone who knows the risks and is deemed sane enough to try to attempt to be in a state of livable hatred with a partner of either gender should get a medal.

Also, in before the Rick "man-on-dog" Santorum slippery-slope.

I know you aren't this stupid. Mob rule is always correct right? Jim Crow laws were outstanding, why would the supreme court ever intervene and change those!

Yeah, fuck gender equality, I don't even know why women can vote.

And don't even get me started on race-traitor whites and their marriages to sub-human mud-people from the dark continent. I'm glad that the majority here in 1966 is against such nonsense. I hope no judges come along and start giving those darkies legal rights, damn those activist judges.



People who voted for prop 8, and similar props in other states, will be embarrassed in 30 years when their kids ask them about the gay rights movement.

Get on board, the tide is turning. The Mormon church can only spend 20 million in misleading and deceitful advertising to shoot down gay marriage so many times.

People don't wake up one day and suddenly decide that they want social progress, it has to be forced upon them and they have to learn to get with the times. Women's suffrage, desegregation, civil rights, and interracial marriage were all unpopular at the time, most people learned to get with the times. Gay rights and marriage is the next frontier for civil rights.

And the utterly sad and ridiculous part is that in 30 years people won't be embarrassed by their votes, people are very good about revisionist history.

[geno]

People who voted for prop 8, and similar props in other states, will be embarrassed in 30 years when their kids ask them about the gay rights movement.

Get on board, the tide is turning. The Mormon church can only spend 20 million in misleading and deceitful advertising to shoot down gay marriage so many times.

Yeah, I have a feeling that its going to be a proposition every 2 years until the U.S. supreme court does something about it or the Mormon funding dries up, lol.

[Julian]

I don't endorse homosexuality, so why should I endorse a proposition that makes it legal for them to marry? I'm sure that's what plenty of people think.......

EXACTLY. Why is a simple right of marriage to a small group of people something that should be decided by others to whom this doesn't even concern or effect?

Also, I was going to make a comment about religion here, but I think I'll pass cause it would probably get me killed, so I'll just word it differently. IT'S YOUR OWN LIFE, MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS, your religion shouldn't govern your every fucking belief.

[TheDirtyHobo]

Also, I was going to make a comment about religion here, but I think I'll pass cause it would probably get me killed, so I'll just word it differently. IT'S YOUR OWN LIFE, MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS, your religion shouldn't govern your every fucking belief.

I'll make my own decisions as long as you'll be willing to actually accept them as being made by me, and not say "Oh, you're part of X-religion, your viewpoint on a Y-political subject is the same as theirs so obviously you aren't thinking for yourself, but being told what to think."

For the record, my personal stance is against gay marriage, but for some sort of equal civil union with the same/similar benefits. However, I don't think that any currently standing marriages should be annulled by the proposition. I'm also Mormon.

[Dezzimal]

Its really the word marriage that we're trying to preserve. I support civil unions for gay couples. Unions between a man and a woman are not similar to unions between a man and a man or a woman and a woman, thus they shouldn't be called marriages. Go ahead and get your joint tax forms, and your legal rights when your partner is hospitalized, but don't call your union what it is not.

[Tyche]

I know you aren't this stupid. Mob rule is always correct right? Jim Crow laws were outstanding, why would the supreme court ever intervene and change those!

Fucking ridiculous prop 8 passed here, and I'm going to start shooting every proponent of prop 8 I meet

It's already been through the Supreme court idiot.