Feminists

[Kohan]

They always have the giving birth trump card, never fails. They give birth, we mow lawns.

But what about all the prissy bitches who haven't given birth?

[Maxxthepenguin]

I mostly use this argument for putting the seat down. I lifted it up, they can put it down if they gotta sit. And they don't even gotta touch the more gross part of the seat, the underneath, like guys do.

Fighting the good fight.

[Day]

I think I should have tried that, my compromise was just to sit when I pee.

[Penthesilea]

Or pee on the seat. That'll teach em good.

"I put the seat down, I really did."

*underbreath* and pee'd on it too

[Neosutra]

I think I should have tried that, my compromise was just to sit when I pee.

Gay.

[Kiro]

I use that bit whenever it comes up, lol. Works everytime.

[isladar]

Regardless of category, at the point you're making statements with "[noun] are...", you're generalizing, and while that's often necessary for the communication of ideas (or delicious forum posts), that generalization disallows the individual's experience. I couldn't possibly respond to "Women are physically inferior to men" except by saying "Well, no, I can't open a pickle jar, but my pain threshold seems to be miles higher than males I've known". It gives you a slice of personal experience, but doesn't produce a nice quotable statistic to respond to.

I suppose what I mean is that when the statement "Women are..." is made, you're talking about this amorphous thing that some females identify strongly with, and some don't. So by the time we get to the value judgment of inherent worth or equality, we're completely fucked. Yes, there's cultural value, societal roles, such-and-such many thousands of years of 'oppression' -- but the only thing we can be responsible for is our own responses and behavior, both masculine and feminine.

[kuronosan]

Feminism is on a decline these days as women are becoming more and more active in their social roles.

Radical feminism, on the other hand, is just like racism. It never goes away because there are really people out there who believe in extremely ignorant practices and will never let it die.

True feminists just advocate equal rights for men and women - they're no different than the people who advocated equal rights for whites and minorities.

Radical feminists don't want equal rights, they believe men are the oppressive creature and that women should be superior to them for a change and they frown on anyone with a liberal attitude of this.

It's also worth noting that men can be feminist too.

[shukuffxi]

1. Do women in general feel that the world is a biased system that is filled overwhelmingly with glass ceilings, and there is a huge weight on the shoulders of every woman who attempts to succeed in this masculine world?

2. Are men and women equal?

3. What would be a proper channel to solve these inequalities or social stigmas in science and academia or even in the military.

1. Not a woman, so not gonna comment on this.

2. No. We're about as equal as apples and oranges. Physical differences, how we're raised, treated by society, etc shapes us to be different. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but just because one thing isn't better or worse than another doesn't make them equal.

3. No clue. I highly doubt it will ever go away, though it has room to lessen the inequality. For the most part, men like to be men, and women like to be women, but men for the most part don't desire to do things society would term "womanly", but this is changing to a degree (male nurses, etc). However you'll see women complain when they aren't selected for traditionally/naturally male roles. Part of the reason we see some things as "male roles" and some as "female roles" is because they formed like that naturally. We are not equal, we are different, and the way we are raised and treated by society leads to base skills/tools/whatever you'd like to call it that make people want a man in some roles, and a women in others. Not to say that women don't get the short straw in a lot of cases, but it's not nearly that bad, in my opinion, and it's not going to change unless there were -MASSIVE- societal changes.

The reason we have these gender roles are because they are the things that have stuck/proven true over time. The ones that are false are the ones that need to be targeted for inequality issues. I think at least in North American culture, women know they can do/be whatever they want, although in some cases it will require more work, and they will be labeled because of it (i.e: Ambitious, not caring about their family enough, etc). Those who do that kind of labeling won't ever disappear.

Why does no one ever argue in divorces "Children should stay with the father"? Because in the large majority of cases, it's plainly obvious the mother is the better choice. Women are often the better choice in that situation, and you never see them say "No, we're equal, so in 50% of divorces, the man should get the child." or even things like "We're equal, therefore I will paint the house." Women, or feminists at least, seem to want all the perks of being female, and all the perks of being male at the same time. There are a lot of different advantages women have over men, but they're harder to see:

No one is going to not raise their child as one would normally raise a child of that gender. Paint a baby boys room pink or purple, and people will remark "Pink? You're going to turn him gay!" Boys tend to learn their early societal roles from "not being like mother", because mother is a girl, and it's insulting to boys to be called a girl. Girls on the other hand, paint their rooms blue, or green, no one will say anything. They're not told to be like their mother or father that much, no one bat's an eye when a young girl plays with a football, they think "She'll grow out of it" and in most cases they do. They tend to view their sexual preference as a choice and not something forced on them. This is an advantage, you rarely think of, but can have a huge impact on a person's life.

I guess what i'm saying is that societies' gender roles are the way they are for a reason, women are just unhappy with certain aspects, some of which they have valid complaints for, and some which they don't. It's partially a power thing, and they have less than males.

I'm sure there's a "power scale" of some type out there, that reads like "White male > White Female > Minor ethnicity male" etc, in terms of societal advantages they get (I know i've seen statistics like this in class), just for being what they are, and women are unhappy with their place on it, but I don't know many women who'd chose to be male instead.

[EdgeMoragan]

My father was in a mens club that got in big trouble for not allowing women into the golf club. So they had to start allowing women in. One of his foursome partners decided to go the womens club of the same course and applied to be allowed in their tournaments in return, and they NUKED overnight and lobbied to ban him from the course entirely.

He wasn't doing it just to troll either, but he did do it knowing exactly what would go down and wanted everyone involved in the previous fiasco to see it. One could say that this is a closed situation it occurred in, but I would predict a similar path in most "women only" situations. Why is it that a lot of sports or closed activites that involve men must specifically display that they allow women or they're in deep trouble. But women only situations, if a guy tries to gain access to, will in some form or another get his teeth knocked out for it.

I don't believe that women yet have equal treatment or rights to men, and I believe that it will eventually improve over time with generations. However I am concerned with how the door swings both ways. When I lived in california I saw more than enough worthless crack-whores waste of life women, purposely get pregnant from guys and rape their wallets for child support. Paranoia over "dead beat dads" in cali has caused so much legal bias that a man could be a successful six figure earner, and still be ruled against by some snaggle-toothed trailer park girl who got knocked up.

Man I worry I am gonna get burned hard usually I avoid getting into volatile convo's like this @_@

[Kohan]

The simple response: there are problems on both sides of the fence, as it takes more than one person to perpetuate social prejudices to the point of their being common knowledge.

Neither women nor men are innocent. It's just like how neither white nor black people are innocent when it comes to dealing with racism between them, how gays and straight people sabotage one another, and so on, so forth.

Everyone is a bunch of tight-asses following one creed or another when we really should all learn to just get along. The basics we need are shelter, food, and people to love, no matter what gender or religion or race or whatever the fuck they are. Why is that never enough for people?

And to anyone who's going to call me a hippy, eat a bag of dicks.

[Kuya]

I think someone should explain that "women are biologically inferior" bit.

[Vail]

Where do you find these women that do these womanish things around the house. I'd like to meet them and marry them. BRB, Vacuuming

haven't dated a girl since high school who knew how to cook anything more then "put in oven lasagna". Yet my mother had tons of books on how to raise boys (she had 3 sons, no daughters) and all the books said to teach boys how to cook. For some odd ass reason, she had the raise a daughter verison of the book written by the same authors: an not ONE mentioning of teaching a daughter to cook.

continueing on shukuffxi's point about child court cases: I knew a guy that I lived with, who was fighting for custody of his two youngest boys. It took him 2 years to finally get full custody over a jobless women who couldn't keep a place to live for more then 2 months.

It was unbelievable to watch when the cops would come over to take the 2 kids to their mothers, not because the father was trying to keep them away from their mother, but because the boys would resist any attempt to remove them from their father, including kicking their own father, and biting a police officer.

The Police officers even filled out reports to the court about how the kids were so affraid of going to their mothers, and it still took 2 years.

Had the mother/father been the opposite (not wanting to go to dad's) the court case would have been fucking done in a week, straight to moms and daddy would pay child support. But this way, he finally got his kids in full custody, but she doesn't have to pay him any child support.

Justice is Blind (my ass)

[Septimus]

When I lived in california I saw more than enough worthless crack-whores waste of life women, purposely get pregnant from guys and rape their wallets for child support. Paranoia over "dead beat dads" in cali has caused so much legal bias that a man could be a successful six figure earner, and still be ruled against by some snaggle-toothed trailer park girl who got knocked up.

Well, how worthwhile is a guy who would fuck a worthless crack-whore waste of life woman? Why would a successful six figure earner of a guy have anything to do with a snaggle-toothed trailer park girl? Maybe men need to stop being retarded and not fall into baby traps- get the snip if you are going to fuck skanks. Better yet, don't fuck skanks. These men are not hapless victims who were helping little old ladies across the street when a bunch of mean whores kidnapped them and forced the men to them to impragenate them.

[Maguspk]

Holy shit LOL @ the whole "women are obviously biologically at a disadvantage" bullshit.

God, it's stuff like that which just shows how much people really don't want to acknowledge truths. To say men are stronger than women period, in any respect, is foolish. The truth of the matter is that the differences in strength are much more varied within the sex than they are across the sex. That is to say, for any given group of women the difference in strength between the women will be greater than the difference on average than that with men; same goes for a given group of men. The point is that, there are women who are stronger than men and men who are stronger than women. To say "lol men are obviously stronger than women" is just ignorant and only shows a failure to acknowledge that the differences in strength exists from person to person, not sex to sex.

I know women who can kick men's asses at arm wrestles, they're called dancers and they are extremely fit and can probably do a lot of physically demanding things you don't want to acknowledge as strength. Go go sexism.

Sexism is alive and well and asserting it's unnecessary or misplaced is foolish at best. We still have a lot of subconscious socializing going on perpetuating distinct gender roles.

[Neosutra]

The mean, min, and max of men's strength/fitness are far superior to women's. Keep quoting 'well I know this one girl that can kick a dudes ass' to support your case and you will only look foolish. Men are physically tougher, this isnt up for debate. Isolating one extreme case and stating how she is above the mean does nothing for your premis unless you compare it to the extreme male case.

And a male dancer is a hell of alot stronger than a female dancer (to address the example you quoted).

[Kuya]

So no one is going to explain what was meant by women are physically inferior?

[fantasticdan]

So no one is going to explain what was meant by women are physically inferior?

Smaller frame, and lower rates of hormones associated with muscle growth?

[Neosutra]

They dont have a penis obviously.

[Kuya]

Oh, so what was meant was that they have less physical strength and not that they're physically inferior?