Homam Body, pole grip problems

[GenjiKing]

i got my homam body a week ago and did some tests. It seems when i equip a pole strap(2% double attack) my triple attack goes way down. when i use a diffrent grip my triple attack goes way up. i beileve double attack is overwriteing triple attack. the extra 2% seems to offset the balance. you figure out of 100 attacks, 7% DA, 1-3% TA, u would get about 10% doin alittle extra swinging, doesnt seem like that happens though.what if the way the forumula works is DA and TA share the same proc space, so u would then have 7% DA vs 3% TA thus y people r now saying TA is 1%. just somtin i noticed and was wondering if any1 else see's this too.

[Nameless]

The chance for DA 7% and TA 1% to happen at the same time, in your case, it is a very very small chance 0.0007. Once every 1428 swings, not in exact but it gives you an idea. With homam body being 1% TA, meaning in average 1 out of 100 swings, you are probably noticing 1 TA being override by DA out of every 14. Not something you can really tell from short period of time. Not to mention you are comparing 5% DA to 7% DA, so the extra 2% DA making a difference is even smaller.

So yea, probably just some unlucky streaks while the strap is on, or the other way around, considering how rare TA from homam already is.

[Koyangi]

Homam Corraza has TA?

[The Stig]

In that case, does that mean Brutal Earring + Homam Body = bad?

[GenjiKing]

not saying brutal + homam body is bad, just saying the higher ur double attack is, the lower ur triple attack may be. before grips came out the body was 2.5% TA, now all of a sudden every1 says its 1%, maybe its the grip.

[Cream Soda]

not saying brutal + homam body is bad, just saying the higher ur double attack is, the lower ur triple attack may be. before grips came out the body was 2.5% TA, now all of a sudden every1 says its 1%, maybe its the grip.

2% da isn't going to lower your TA that drastcially. You have a very small chance to begin with for them to both proc (thus one overriding the other) on the same hit.

[Drex]

The DA on the brutal will improve your damage more than the lost TA from the brutal will hurt it, won't it? Which would make brutal + homam good, it would just mean the brutal isn't helping quite as much as it does when you're using, say, a hauby. It's still a better earring than any of your other options.

[Nameless]

When they test the 1%, they tested it without any DA equip, just the body. So there is no reason to believe that pole strap is the reason that homam body's TA is 1%.

[Arthars]

it may be 1% for jobs that does not have the TA traits

for a THF, the enhance from homam body is definately noticable
















from eyeballing

[Drex]

it may be 1% for jobs that does not have the TA traits

for a THF, the enhance from homam body is definately noticable

from eyeballing

I've noticed this too. THFs with homam body seem to have a whole 10% more chance to triple attack than other jobs with a homam body. Very strange.

[Aux]

Could be TA merits or something. 5% Trait + 5% Merits + 1% Body = 11%
Not to mention some THFs wear their AF2 boots too.

I wanted to reflect on the "Have more DA gear, your TA gets gimped" thing. I thought overall even if one was to procreate less due to bonuses in another, you would still hit the same in the end.
I recall checking into some math that was determining the ratio of single/double/triple hits, most importantly that of ridill.

Since each chance was determined to be 33.3% for each, it would've been:

33.3% Single / 33.3% Double / 33.3% Triple

Adding various gear, say this is a DRK/NIN (for reasons using Ridill outside of zerg is beyond me, just trying an example here.)

Homam Corazza 1% TA (presume)
Brutal Earring 5% DA
Pole Grip 2% DA
Ares' Flanchard 2% DA
Total = +9% DA ,+1% TA

Factoring that into the Ridill prior to gear bonuses;
33.33 x 1hit = 33.33 Attacks
33.33 x 2hit = 66.33 Attacks
33.33 x 3hit = 99.33 Attacks
Total = 200 attacks

After bonuses, DRK/NIN Axe/Ridill with 3 gear mentioned above: 9% DA only, so +9% of ridill hits will hit 2 instead of 1 or 3.
30.34 x 1hit = 30.33 Attacks
39.32 x 2hit = 78.64 Attacks
30.34 x 3hit = 91.02 Attacks
Total = 200 Attacks

Finally, factoring the 1% TA remaining, from the Homam Body into above:
30.03 x 1hit = 30.03 Attacks
39.01 x 2hit = 78.02 Attacks
30.96 x 3hit = 92.88 Attacks
Total = 200 Attacks

In the end, although you attacked more in a DA or TA form, your DD is still the same. It doesn't hurt your DD capabilities, it just doesn't benefit the ridill.