SAM vs DRK (Max Dmg Output)

[Draken82]

I'm curious, Draken, what gear setup do you typically use for Namas Arrow?

<3 You to Richardd! Yes, I cheat at bird camp or any camp! I would agree not pulling hate in meripo is lame but that’s why Yoich is so good on HNMs! Apoc has a cure IV weapon skill and I have my near hateless weapon skill. It seems some Sam/Wars (soboro/Yoichi) have problems hitting the magic number in meripo. I would say the average at bird camp should be around 1.1-1.2k (counting wivres) and the average at Jade should be around 800-950. Dia II/III is your friend for ranged attack/ranged WS!

- FFXIAH.com
This is one of my setups for Namas Arrow.

[nekura]

Isn't there a parser that can do dmg/time?

Kparser can for single fights.

[kandiekane]

You must know some gimp Sam/Rngs. >.>

Minimum Damage-26 Second DL (Sometimes I am stuck with 100 tp because we have so many drks. I will only factor 1 WS in for meditate.)
Never really have time if its under 26 seconds to use barrage.

Sidewinder x2 (Sekkan)- 2.2-2.4k x2
Meikyo Shisui (Sidewinder)-2.2-2.4 x3
Meditate- Sidewinder- 2.2-2.4 x1
I.Wing- Sidewinder- 2.2-2.4 x1
Total Damage- 15.4k Damage (2.2 x7) I used the lower number for the math.

Max Damage- 35-37 second DL (This is the time frame I need to get my full zerg off) Not factoring in the triple proc on barrage.

Sekkan- Sidewinder 2.2k x 2
Meikyo Shisui- Sidewinder 2.2k x3
Meditate during 2hr- Sidewinder 2.2k x2
I.Wing-SideWinder 2.2k x1
Barrage 1.2-1.4k
Sidewinder from Barrage- 2.2k x1

Total Damage- 21k ( I use the lowest number for sidewinder to be more accurate. Sidewinder ranges from 2.1-2.4k ish on Sam)

Summary: Min Damage- 15.4 Damage
Max Damage- 21k Damage (with no triple proc on barrage)


P.S. Barrage is four hits as sub job. With my setup I receive 20+tp from a ranged attack and would have 20 tp from the I.Wing WS. Making an additional WS optional.

You can pull off 2.2k sidewinders on DL with sam/rng? I just took my friend's sam/rng with almost the exact same equipment in your ffxi WS set (minus relic) and he was doing 400 damage sidewinders on Zipacna -_-

There can't be that much of a difference. How are you pulling off 2.1k-2.4k sidewinders I would like to know. If this is true, can be very useful info ^^

[Rama]

You can pull off 2.2k sidewinders on DL with sam/rng? I just took my friend's sam/rng with almost the exact same equipment in your ffxi WS set (minus relic) and he was doing 400 damage sidewinders on Zipacna -_-

There can't be that much of a difference. How are you pulling off 2.1k-2.4k sidewinders I would like to know. If this is true, can be very useful info ^^

on Zipacna did you have:
3+ Soul voiced minuets
Red curry
Angon
Dia 3

?

[kandiekane]

on Zipacna did you have:
3+ Soul voiced minuets
Red curry
Angon
Dia 3

?

I don't think that will make 2k damage difference . . .

[Aux]

I don't think that will make 2k damage difference . . .

Side > Namas in ws damage. Decently geared & unmerited RNG can slug/side for 2k+, up to 3k's or more a shot from SV buffed songs. edit: on DLord.

DL has like, next to no resistance; defense subpar, fairly easy to hit, due to Angon, Feints, etc.
Zip has a bunch of crap such as that golem defense variable, golem JA's, the missing songs, and the fact that we're comparing two different battle types here.

[Draken82]

I don't think that will make 2k damage difference . . .

Yes it will make that much difference. I have some SS on ranger where I hit DL for 27-- with sidewinder. The difference is you need more Ratt (hence the x3 SV minuets) to achieve the numbers the ranger hits because you don't have access /war as Sam/Rng.

P.S. I am almost positive that your post on the DPS on Soboro is incorrect (5.33). The DPS should change depending on how many times you hit the mob.
Soboro Sukehiro - FFXIclopedia - a Wikia Gaming wiki

Soboro holds the same properties as ridill (Ridill-Damage Per Second: 10.17 / 19.32 (Assuming roughly 30:50:20 single/double/triple attack rate distribution, averaging ~1.9 attacks per round.)

[richardd]

See my parse below.. pre-apoc the DRK that parse is against would always come within 1-2% of me either way.

Are you saying Guillo averages 400 more than cata? My weaponskill average using exclusively cata varies between 50-100 below if i were to use guillo only, i have not parsed insurgency yet but eyeballing it seems weaker or equal to guillo.

like others already said, parses aren't the best way to tell unless its against yourself. Looking at the dmg % of kinda meh. You gotta look at overall dmg, WS averages, hit averages etc. I was also going by this, but i wasnt going by %

http://66.221.121.71/selim/parses/SamVsDrk-Mamool.html

Selim is a cool dude. He's a really decked out amano sam, and this is his parse against a DRK even after all the nerfs on SAM ws's and DRK haste cap. You're telling me your catas average 1100? This was also at a mamool camp. My averages are lower than his, but i dont have the 8/8 scythe like the does, and i have an NQ Ebody too lol.

edit: obviously, if people didnt know, thats a Tred/Perdu scythe. So i stand by what i said, as far as sheer damage output, if you got the merits/skill/aggressiveness, Apoc will make you go further in dmg.. but not as much as people make it seem. Sure it changes the job, but it makes you more efficient and you're curing yourself the whole time rather than sinking more mp than usual.

[Max™]

Thats what I'm saying, I merit aggressively, I ride my timers and stagger things to keep my average damage high (1100+ at either camp with a fuckin Rampager? come on), I merit with people I know, I pay attention, I get tired cause it's a lot of fuckin concentration...

Me, I merit to get max exp/hr, if I just want to fuck around and get some merits I'll go work on my parrying skill (187 go!) beating up random shit.

[kandiekane]

hmm, interesting. So all i had to do is boost my ranged attack up by 300-400 + angon/dia3 and i can increase my ws from 400 to 2.2k?

Zip's ja's were all dispelled, sam/rng was in "sweet spot" range, etc. I highly doubt it. If someone can prove me wrong, please post a pic!

400 ranged attack + 35% def down does not equal a 600% increase in damage lol

btw, my friend is also a rng that does 1.5k ish unbuffed sidewinders on zip, and he was using roughly the exact same gears.

poidh!

[pape]

like others already said, parses aren't the best way to tell unless its against yourself. Looking at the dmg % of kinda meh. You gotta look at overall dmg, WS averages, hit averages etc. I was also going by this, but i wasnt going by %

http://66.221.121.71/selim/parses/SamVsDrk-Mamool.html

Selim is a cool dude. He's a really decked out amano sam, and this is his parse against a DRK even after all the nerfs on SAM ws's and DRK haste cap. You're telling me your catas average 1100? This was also at a mamool camp. My averages are lower than his, but i dont have the 8/8 scythe like the does, and i have an NQ Ebody too lol.

edit: obviously, if people didnt know, thats a Tred/Perdu scythe. So i stand by what i said, as far as sheer damage output, if you got the merits/skill/aggressiveness, Apoc will make you go further in dmg.. but not as much as people make it seem. Sure it changes the job, but it makes you more efficient and you're curing yourself the whole time rather than sinking more mp than usual.

Actually it's a Death Scythe +1, as I was the drk in that pt.

TP: - FFXIAH.com

WS: - FFXIAH.com

I think with Apoc I could probably parse even or even beat Selim, allowing more use of Souleater.

[Draken82]

hmm, interesting. So all i had to do is boost my ranged attack up by 300-400 + angon/dia3 and i can increase my ws from 400 to 2.2k?

Zip's ja's were all dispelled, sam/rng was in "sweet spot" range, etc. I highly doubt it. If someone can prove me wrong, please post a pic!

400 ranged attack + 35% def down does not equal a 600% increase in damage lol

btw, my friend is also a rng that does 1.5k ish unbuffed sidewinders on zip, and he was using roughly the exact same gears.

poidh!

/sigh I don't have to prove anything that I have done several times. If you want to see similar damage try what we posted. We never mentioned Zip for damage, DL was the mob discussed about the damage. It’s always about reaching the top tiers of the damage platform. For the record I can break 2k+ on Zip so it sounds like you friend is not reaching that top tier. If you can sidewinder Kirin for 2.3k+ you should be able to hit Zip for about the same.

P.S. Quoting random math may seem cool but it doesn't look cool. Learn the different tiers of the damage platform to understand what you need to do to achieve the damage.

[richardd]

Actually it's a Death Scythe +1, as I was the drk in that pt.

TP: - FFXIAH.com

WS: - FFXIAH.com

I think with Apoc I could probably parse even or even beat Selim, allowing more use of Souleater.

same difference, that multi hit DA was beast lol. either way that was a good show of dmg. I bet he was tanking most of the time tho since he had voke eh?

/sigh I don't have to prove anything that I have done several times. If you want to see similar damage try what we posted. We never mentioned Zip for damage, DL was the mob discussed about the damage. It’s always about reaching the top tiers of the damage platform. For the record I can break 2k+ on Zip so it sounds like you friend is not reaching that top tier. If you can sidewinder Kirin for 2.3k+ you should be able to hit Zip for about the same.

P.S. Quoting random math may seem cool but it doesn't look cool. Learn the different tiers of the damage platform to understand what you need to do to achieve the damage.

qft, actions speak louder than words, and i seen it with my own eyes. ill SS the next time if im on sam or something, but if im on DRK, ima outparse you on DL again baby!! ohhhhhhhhh

dem be fightin wordz!

[Flight_93]

like i say i only screenshot parses once then delete them

You do realized that, even a well compressed, jpeg is likely larger in file size than your parse.htm...

[Aesctaa]

Obviously no parse is going to be definitive, i never stated it would be. There are far too many factors at merit camps to claim one way or another an absolute "Best dmg output", even disregarding total % of dmg, a lot of factors can skew WS averages, dmg per hour, noncrit average per hit, crit hit average etc. Anything from the ratio of Mamools:Skoffins: Puks killed, to if the support jobs are erasing/hasting every melee impartially and quickly.

My cata average at birds and mamools stays between 900-1100, depending on rolls/songs, proportion of mobs, and if the RDM uses dia or not. I honestly dont know my guillotine average, i havent had a party where i have used it exclusively for months.

You do realized that, even a well compressed, jpeg is likely larger in file size than your parse.htm...

My reason isnt the file size, i parse with a mule outside the party and i haven't found how to save it properly(directparse) without amalgamating everyones data into a single row, if anyone knows how to do that PM please.

[algrensan]

if any apoc drks in asura want to have a fun merit/parse session, hit me up. i've only had the chance to parse against a mandau at south mamool camp and compare my sam/nin against sam/war amano at bird camp.