Teach me Paladin?

[fantasticdan]

You don't need to be prot spec to tank normal instances.

[Plow]

i'm thinking of respeccing to Holy for questing/instancing, but i'm quite clueless on how it plays solo/grinding..
1h+shield i take? Seal of Rightouness, Wise Judge and Holy Shock rotation?

Yeah, and consecrate, and use plea whenever it's up.

I have a friend who leveled/plays prot, and it's amazing to watch him go as long as he's got like 10 mobs on him; during the scourge invasion he could tank one of the shadows of doom+6ish mobs np, with only a rolling lifebloom from me (and even then most ticks were wasted)...but as the non elites died off, he started taking more damage. So while prot can be pretty fast if you find a groove for it, if you don't get into that groove it's painfully slow. Ret at least gives you a guaranteed amount of output.

That said I'd level prot because I like instances and people need well-specced tanks more than they do well-specced DPS

The thing about holy, or prot leveling is this:

Yes, it's slow as shit for 1 mob. But if you add a 2nd mob, it adds only a couple seconds to the fight. Same with adding a 3rd. Once you get over the 3rd mob, you can basically add in however many mobs you can take without dying without adding any extra length to the fight or downtime.

My gear's not even that great and there's no real limit to it for me, I'll lose mobs from my pull before I can get enough to actually be in danger of dying.


here's how I'm leveling, lets me heal instances beautifully, tank them just fine (can tank and heal at same time with 4 t6 dps), and aoe grind, and be impossible for anybody to gank:

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...rock&n=Lailala


that's my normal solo questing/grinding gear, and I doubt I'll change specs before 80

[Saphirea]

I leveled to 60 as Ret. I found it a lot easier. I tried the prot spec grinding but it just wasn't as fun for me.

From 60 to 70 it was pretty much instances as holy.

And for the last 3 or so months its been Ret again and it's was much more enjoyable.

[Shuemue]

How often does that stun seal proc?

[Saphirea]

I haven't used the new one that often, I find that Judgment of Light is much better honestly.

[Shuemue]

I just got Seal of Command, the damage on that is pretty nice so far

[Saphirea]

Yeah Seal of Command is hottness. I use that in PvP situations and when soloing. You'll eventually get seal of the martyr and I use that now at 70 in PvE situations. It's a great

[Shuemue]

Bump!

So I'm level 43 and I'd like to try Protect Paladin, someone link me a decent talent tree please?

[Norellicus]

Reckoning, BoSanc, Holy Shield are your staple talents

Taking Benediction is nice to keep spells cheap, keep your mana up

Basically build yourself so that you're taking as little damage as possible and the mobs kill themselves via reflected damage is how I've been taught (though I haven't screwed with my paladin since like...2.3, so idk if the principle has changed much/any since 3.0)

[Koul]

WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Paladin -> Talent Calculator

is what I'd probably go fer your level.

overall something like this:
WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Paladin -> Talent Calculator

[Norellicus]

Yeah, somehow I overlooked the fact that BoSanc procs on dodge/parry now, so scrub Benediction and take Deflection, and make sure and pick up Anticipation too.

This is how a friend of mine rolls Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

[Celeste]

WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Paladin -> Talent Calculator

This one looks pretty solid. Why no Kings though? I guess it's not that necessary, but it's always fun to have around.

[Eaglestrike]

This one looks pretty solid. Why no Kings though? I guess it's not that necessary, but it's always fun to have around.

Prot often doesn't take kings (as a MT I certainly don't) and while leveling I sure wouldn't because sanctuary is far better solo and kings is only that powerful when in full epics to make use of their massive +stats. Might/wisdom is better for most classes, especially leveling up since mana regen is actually an issue...sometimes.

[Arcana]

Ok im currently 77, i have the following for talents up to 75 but im unsure how to go with the last 5 talent points.

Protection Paladin Build

Any Suggestions? is Argent Defender worth it and is there any cap on % damage reduction?.

[Shuemue]

This is what I went with, just gonna mess around and see how it goes. I figured since I'm used to having both Hammer of Justice and Repentance, that halving the recast on HoJ would be nice.

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/ba...00000000000000

[Demetrius*]

Prot often doesn't take kings (as a MT I certainly don't) and while leveling I sure wouldn't because sanctuary is far better solo and kings is only that powerful when in full epics to make use of their massive +stats. Might/wisdom is better for most classes, especially leveling up since mana regen is actually an issue...sometimes.

kings is > 3% crit and imp HoJ. what do you have those for anyway? threat/minimal dps increase really shouldn't be an issue, and hoj is only useful for trash. Why waste talents for that especially as a MT?

[Celeste]

Prot often doesn't take kings (as a MT I certainly don't) and while leveling I sure wouldn't because sanctuary is far better solo and kings is only that powerful when in full epics to make use of their massive +stats. Might/wisdom is better for most classes, especially leveling up since mana regen is actually an issue...sometimes.

I'm leveling Ret right now, gathering decent Prot gear before I make the switch. I've gotta say one thing. I have absolutely no issue with mana or health while soloing. And PvP? I am a hammer of geeky righteousness. I actually had all the points I wanted into the Ret tree when WoTLK came out. Had the new talents put it, and that was about it. I decided to pop a couple points into Kings and the 15% Str talent.

Honestly, even as Prot, having Kings instead of distributing the 5 points elsewhere would be a good idea. I didn't need Sanctuary when I was tanking in SSC, TK, and BT during BC, and I certainly don't need it now.

[Thelam]

This is what spec I'm using at 80: WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Paladin -> Talent Calculator
Currently I'm the MT for the raids I'm with, which usually don't consist of a holy paladin, and the retadin we bring didn't spec into kings, This is obviously not a trash tanking spec, otherwise I would have specced into stoicism and imp. HoJ, Pursuit of Justice is incredibly nice for raid situations that require kiting, with the new BV from judgement libram, the ret talent for 8second judgements is alot more useful now. IMO don't spec into benediction because if you're tanking a mob, you're getting heals already, and spiritual attunement gives us mana back from the heals, especially if you glyphed for Imp. Spiritual Attunement, I never run out of mana in fights that I MT for, the only time I really run OOM is when I'm taking too little damage, but that usually won't happen on bosses, other then loatheb that is .

[Shuemue]

Which Glyphs would you guys suggest for Prot?

[Thelam]

I'm currently using Imp. Righteous Defense, Imp. Judgement Damage, and Imp. Spiritual Attunement for major gylphs, for minor highly suggest getting Sense Undead, the other two don't matter really, we have pretty bad minor glyphs =/.