19-Year-Old Commits Suicide Live on Justin.tv

[Elesirdur]

...kids don't see the military as some fucking adventure where you come back all changed and manly. And if they do think that, they don't by the time they've got a year in.

While I realize you qualify your thesis with that second sentence, I think there are a lot of people who join the military because they want some of that gung-ho GI-Joe adventure. I don't think that sentiment will ever really change because Western society is so informed and founded on shared myths of heroic warriors and that it is a man's duty to fight for his nation/crown/family/community/wife+kids/ideology when told to do so. The harsh realities of war will not change, but there will still be adventure stories that enthrall youths into joining up and becoming the hero.

I'm not mocking the military in any way, in fact I support and admire people who join up in militaries because they want to affect some kind of positive change or help in the defense of their nation or support their government's policies.

[Kuya]

Apparently it just means free will. I'm not sure why he said the same thing in two languages in the same sentence, but maybe using .es gives it a different connotation.

As for what he was actually saying, I'd say the current attitude toward mental disorders is actually a result of our attatchment to the concept of free will. We aren't "tacitly accepting" the existence of mental disorders and acquiescing to them, we're identifying a verifiable problem and facing it head-on, with a proliferation of diagnoses and medications. Seen in that way, we're actually defending the sanctity of free will from the percieved possibility that our freedom might be taken away by the bad chemicals. The resulting corporate profits are seen as a necessary side effect.

edit: I know how to use tags, really.

Actually, for many supposed mental disorders there is very little empirical evidence that they "exist", as would say an average disease that affects the body and not the mind, and many medications don't ever actually fix the problem, but rather, they become a crutch for people trying to deal with problems or perceived problems without ever really "fixing" them, and so, yes, they become an impediment on free will, as in many cases you have to rely on medications which do not rid you of your problem, and not only that, but alter your mental state putting you in what is essentially, chemically induced straps. It is being dominated by chemicals.

It is also interesting to note that, in the quite numerous cases where people can't actually eliminate their "mental disease", they come to physically and economically rely on these medications, which somewhat explains the pharmaceutical companies' surprisingly growing profit margins.

[HAcoreRD]

Pills? Pussy way to die.

Grenade in the mouth, THAT's an exit

[Cerb]

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[Beckwin]

I will meet u ne tiem I am hoem an u will c i am teh saem.

I think the fact that there are less heroic people in hectic situations has something to do with this too, but I can't really tie it in - just a theory. I thought of it because of school shootings, but for many of those the shooters reload with people being little bitches in front of them instead of just being a man. (Not meaning selfless or heroic or 'making a sacrifice', I mean being a man like, not letting yourself be oppressed, which is what is happening.)

Also, lolsuicide.

or, in earlier times, there simply weren't enough random ass sociopathic shootings in schools for you to really make that judgment. also you're generally in a status of less oppression by being alive rather than dead.

[Riker]

this is really sad

[Penthesilea]

Actually, for many supposed mental disorders there is very little empirical evidence that they "exist", as would say an average disease that affects the body and not the mind, and many medications don't ever actually fix the problem, but rather, they become a crutch for people trying to deal with problems or perceived problems without ever really "fixing" them, and so, yes, they become an impediment on free will, as in many cases you have to rely on medications which do not rid you of your problem, and not only that, but alter your mental state putting you in what is essentially, chemically induced straps. It is being dominated by chemicals.

It is also interesting to note that, in the quite numerous cases where people can't actually eliminate their "mental disease", they come to physically and economically rely on these medications, which somewhat explains the pharmaceutical companies' surprisingly growing profit margins.

Top 20 profitable drugs, only 5 are for mental health related issues and not the same ones. That's hardly to say that their profits are coming from mental disease crutch drugs.

List of bestselling drugs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those companies are just out to zombiefy the masses, geez. I should know, working in one of their labs we focus on creating drugs that infuse the user with overwhelming desires for brains, drugs that make you moan and groan, and help treat cancer (not really, but this is what we say we do).

[LD]

I wonder if events like this are due to the internet's effect of anonymity and therefore an avoidance of social ostracizing or if it's more due to some sort of actual moral decay going on in quite a lot of western nations.

Both and while I wont say the tone of the internet is in any way the cause of the lapse in social morality, it may be exacerbating it.

The last 8 years has led me to believe we're living out the worst parts of the last century: war, severe economic down-turns, socially accepted hate-mongering, obnoxious shallowness. The real problem is they're all the symptoms and causes of each other; like a perpetual-motion machine, it drives everything faster and faster to oblivion. However, even with all our rash actions, I think the most damning thing has been our nation's mentality.

In a phrase, if you really think about it, the hummer is the cause of all of our problems.

[Elvis]

What? There has been worse shit on these boards.

Spiders. Hairy mangina. Pineapples.

[Wintermute]

Spiders. Hairy mangina. Pineapples.

We had mutilated cocks in one of the Random Image Threads a while back too if memory serves.

[Charla]

Actually, for many supposed mental disorders there is very little empirical evidence that they "exist", as would say an average disease that affects the body and not the mind, and many medications don't ever actually fix the problem, but rather, they become a crutch for people trying to deal with problems or perceived problems without ever really "fixing" them, and so, yes, they become an impediment on free will, as in many cases you have to rely on medications which do not rid you of your problem, and not only that, but alter your mental state putting you in what is essentially, chemically induced straps. It is being dominated by chemicals.

Normally this would be where I either ask for some evidence or just accuse you of not having any, but in this case I think your assertion that (to restate it with less hyperbole) "a number of mental disorders are a matter of perception rather than physiology" actually reinforces the point I was making from a slightly different angle. If unhappiness is seen as a problem that can be corrected rather than as a necessary quality of a common person's life (as it was for a good deal of recorded history), then postulating that unhappiness is a result of a medical condition can be seen as an attempt to label, control, and eventually correct that problem. Even if a proliferation of diagnoses is giving us more labels for our symptoms than we have distinct and verifiable physiological causes for them, the new diagnoses are still part of the attempt to fight back against unhappiness itself. As such, it can be said to represent an attempt to will oneself to be happy.

Whether or not any of this is driven by the machinations of the pharmaceutical industry is beside the point.

[Feielle]

The internet is a lot like Vietnam.

...bear with me...

War has always been a horrific desperate exercise, and plenty of wars were fought before the Vietnam War. However, the advent of new technology allowed people to witness these atrocities for the first time, and people doing so were appalled that their idealized notion of war was actually a grisly, often honor less blood bath.

The internet has effectively done the same. Most people, and I'm saying 99% of the viewing public, isn't going to commit suicide in some grandiose way like chainsawing their head off or publicly overdosing on a cocktail of prescription meds. 98% of people won't kill themselves (intentionally) at all, but horrific suicides happened nonetheless before the advent of the internet.

Humans have not changed here. Throughout history, people have harmed one another, mutilated themselves, participated in bizarre sex acts, and committed generally unspeakable actions against all manner of animals; the world has not changed. What has changed is the lens we view these things through. Much like television in the Vietnam War, the broader our available information gets, the more we see the blurry edges of society that fracture our pretty ideals of what the world should be.

tl,dr: Plenty of people have killed themselves before, the only difference is this was televised. Tough break, but he'd probably do it without the internet.

[Kuya]

Top 20 profitable drugs, only 5 are for mental health related issues and not the same ones. That's hardly to say that their profits are coming from mental disease crutch drugs.

List of bestselling drugs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those companies are just out to zombiefy the masses, geez. I should know, working in one of their labs we focus on creating drugs that infuse the user with overwhelming desires for brains, drugs that make you moan and groan, and help treat cancer (not really, but this is what we say we do).

I was only referring to certain drugs meant for mental health; i don't know how you could possibly read my post and conclude that i was attacking all medication, but you do make a habit out of not being able to debate properly.

Btw, would you like some Ritalin for your non existent mental disease?

[Kuya]

Normally this would be where I either ask for some evidence or just accuse you of not having any, but in this case I think your assertion that (to restate it with less hyperbole) "a number of mental disorders are a matter of perception rather than physiology" actually reinforces the point I was making from a slightly different angle. If unhappiness is seen as a problem that can be corrected rather than as a necessary quality of a common person's life (as it was for a good deal of recorded history), then postulating that unhappiness is a result of a medical condition can be seen as an attempt to label, control, and eventually correct that problem. Even if a proliferation of diagnoses is giving us more labels for our symptoms than we have distinct and verifiable physiological causes for them, the new diagnoses are still part of the attempt to fight back against unhappiness itself. As such, it can be said to represent an attempt to will oneself to be happy.

Whether or not any of this is driven by the machinations of the pharmaceutical industry is beside the point.

I would hardly classify drugging yourself as willing yourself out of a problem, and naturally, the pharmaceutical companies don't wake up one day and decide that they're going to make up some questionable mental disorder and make some medication for it; exaggerations, etc.

If anything, that's the illusion; that you're somehow helping yourself when in reality you're only making yourself dependent on chemicals. I suppose if you consider dependency on chemicals rather than some actual progress in helping yourself out of an unhappy situation in your life to be will, then more power to you, but there is something wrong with the idea that whenever we are unhappy, we just have to pop a pill instead of finding out what's wrong and working to reconcile.

[Beckwin]

Kuya Cruise

[Kuya]

I also found it strange, that, even though i consider Scientology to be rather... questionable, their attacks on psychiatry have been more or less accurate.

[Mizango]

God clearly did not love him.

While we are on the topic, can I be Miz Lauer?

[Penthesilea]

I was only referring to certain drugs meant for mental health; i don't know how you could possibly read my post and conclude that i was attacking all medication, but you do make a habit out of not being able to debate properly.

Btw, would you like some Ritalin for your non existent mental disease?

No you were attacking pharmaceutical companies for selling drugs that make "surprisingly growing profits" off of mental diseases, when I demonstrated that most of their profit margins come from cholesterol/cardiovascular, diabetes, oncology, arthritis, and other non psychiatric disorders.

[Priran]

he told you he was hardcore

[Kuya]

No you were attacking pharmaceutical companies for selling drugs that make "surprisingly growing profits" off of mental diseases, when I demonstrated that most of their profit margins come from cholesterol/cardiovascular, diabetes, oncology, arthritis, and other non psychiatric disorders.

So basically, you agreed with me, or should i say you never actually said i was lying? I can't deny that they seem to make a lot of profit off medicines for things other than mental disorders, however i never said that they made most of their profits off medication for mental disorders. So i'm not really quite sure what you were trying to prove with that.

And saying i was attacking pharmaceutical companies for making profit is at best a disingenuous way to portray my contention, assuming you've been paying attention at all.