Pandemonium Warden LIVE

[arus2001]

I don't like the idea that this requires over 36 people assuming no gimmicks, but was fun to watch, nonetheless.

[donnie]

I dont think you would need that many people later on, I am just giving what i feel the safest way to kill him. From that point on, it will always get easier until 20-25 ppl would be needed.

[Mojo]

I actually agree that a group of people using the strategy I presented could reach the final form with an hour or more left if they didn't have any major screw ups. As far as our attempt goes, it's just one of those situations where you need a bit of practice before everybody is comfortable doing what they should be. Unfortunately you are not allowed any spare time for this learning curve. We did do Gulool Ja Ja and Medusa beforehand, and had Gurfurlur on the schedule, but I missed that day. I assumed that they went and fought it in my absence, but it seems not. If we did go again, we would have over an hour left for the final form.

[HadesChubbs]

Yeah, forgot to fight troll. We were gunna but then accidently a whole bottle of lotion instead.

Seriously though, that was fun as hell, every ls should try it, one of the only challenges left in the game. Lots of silly mistakes we could have avoided to give us 30-40 more min for actual PW. Look forward to doing it again!

[aznmajiktaru]

Didn't wanna make a new topic but jps shouted for members on bismarck and they're fighting PW right now, looks like they have about 70-80ish people. Idk what people are interested in hearing about besides the final form I guess? I heard this is the 4th form right now.

Tried to do the last min ustream shit but man my upload blows and it was laggy as fuck so I said fuck it.

[aznmajiktaru]

lol...... someone cfh'd on PW cause they got air ele add and turned PW into cfh mode at 5% gulool. They all wiped and watched a 5% cfh gulool stay cfh and depopped without doing anything >_>. Didn't turn back into un-cfh mode I guess since it has no latent regen to 80% thing; oh well so ends that run >_>.

[Reapz]

Double post delete please I suck._.

[Reapz]

Can't see a pick up group doing any better, regardless of numbers

[test123]

Hi Reapz!!

[aznmajiktaru]

well IDK...I mean they did have 17 smns, that alone woulda been interesting to watch. With a little more coordination and actual planning maybe woulda done better. It's not like they were ALL a bunch of random gimp jps, was a couple of relic ppl (horn for one) and bunch of salvage gear'd ppl etc, on top of some random sucky ppl >.>. Just sucks first shot on server and it ends with it being cfh and depopped, I woulda least tried to kill it to see if it respawned normal or something

[Starr]

Someone needs to be brave and see for sure what does happen if you kill forms with the lamps up.

[Lordwafik]

lol...... someone cfh'd on PW cause they got air ele add and turned PW into cfh mode at 5% gulool. They all wiped and watched a 5% cfh gulool stay cfh and depopped without doing anything >_>. Didn't turn back into un-cfh mode I guess since it has no latent regen to 80% thing; oh well so ends that run >_>.

How can people still not understand this at this day and age

Were they at least doing good? I can see a somewhat co-ordinated pick up doing decent on PW, so long as it has a good leader leading it and everyone listens.

[Mojo]

Heh, I actually kind of mused about SMN burning this. I would really have liked to see how it turned out, oh well I guess.

[Valkrish]

Someone needs to be brave and see for sure what does happen if you kill forms with the lamps up.

I could be mistaken, but didn't someone note (and have a pic) of it respawning the same monster upon death? :\

[Lordwafik]

I could be mistaken, but didn't someone note (and have a pic) of it respawning the same monster upon death? :\

This was pre patch, and I don't think there were any pics of it's respawn, it could have very well repopped as something else with the LS being misinformed over which one popped (they do look similar), as they gave up instantly after seeing another chariot.

[aznmajiktaru]

well with the numbers they had it was kinda hard to do bad ;x. They cfh'd lamps and just zerg rushed them then killed pw but there were so many ppl there I didn't get close enough to see the main ally on pw. Barring they didn't get shitty khim/hydra/cerb etc yet, LBC and gulool went down pretty fast.

[Mojo]

It's not going to change much whether you kill it lamps out or not. It's already been established that it's quite possible to reach the final form in the better part of an hour, leaving another hour and some change to deal with just that. Apathy claimed they were able to take it to 75% within 4-5 minutes, although I'm sure that this can be done quicker. Even if you outright wiped three times(75%, 50%, 25%), which I find unlikely, you could still be left with 40+ minutes to actually deal damage.

People need to just get over the prospect of a gimmick to make the fight shorter. There isn't going to be one.

[donnie]

I totally agree on that , i think its meant to have all those lamps and all those forms. but if there is a trick to deal with PW last form SMNs AF... it has to be very stupid and simple, aka sleepga II them ( Lamps avatars) and then kill the lamps? anyone know if they summon thier avatar + AF like Kirin? , or they summon them and then give or take 10sec to AF?

[Shinsei]

I can't recall, I just remember glimpsing a pic with eight~ avatars standing around beside the lamps with an alliance of dead people. Couldn't really tell from the pic whether or not they were summoned just for Astral Flow, or used like a regular summon like Dynamis mobs.

[Demosthenes11]

The threads are a huge clusterfuck now and all I have are a few specific questions / things people have said I want confirmed.

1) Do the lamps follow into the tunnel? I have heard they do not and someone with hate can literally stand right next to them but won't get hit because there is a wall there to them of some sort. Do they lose hate on the person at this point?

2) How many -ga does it take to finish a wave of lamps? I've heard 6 gets them to 15%. would 10 be reliable enough to kill them even with a resist or 2?

3) What's the extent of astral flow that we know? He uses it at 25% intervals, spawns 8ish avatars and flows everyone at PW, then moves on to others with hate?

I'm thinking perhaps the best way to deal with AF rape is to escape everyone but sac pullers, have them run down to entrance 10, and get drawn in from the ledge below at J. I was also throwing around the idea to Kclub the last form with a pld/rdm to diaga the lamps and invinc while they do it, but that likely won't work if you get hit with 8 flows at once (whm bene wouldnt help then).