Advanced chocobo raising

[urat]

Obviously you didn't read my guide much, for it does take yellow birds into account.

You get a chance of color, and a chance of specific color.

The higher your first, the chance of your bird being colored any way at all goes up. Period.

The second stat though, is your chance of what color. The higher of the 4 colors, blue, green, red, or black that becomes the dominant color. Thus if you have 50% chanc eof color, 25% blue, 20% green, 15% red, blue is the dominant color, so you have a a 50% chance of a color, which happens to be blue.

So where's yellow? Well duh, it's obviously the other 50%, it's not a 50% chance of blue and 50% of flourescent orange >_>

People that skim over posts then make conclusions on them annoy me. Please don't.

As for how many races have I analyzed? I've capped out 2 entire birds using chocobucks. Luckily the second had 2 of the 3 capped from training, so thats 4 stats capped out with chocobucks, three for the first, one for the second.

Because your third stat only goes up to A, thats -3 levels to both. A total of 8x4-6. Or 24 levels. At 8 chocotrains per level, thats 192 chocotrains. At 80 chocobucks per train, thats 15,630 chocobucks. My bird averages 4 chocobucks per race. So thats a grand total of 3840 races.

Just to cap those birds. Not including building chocobucks to do official races, and my bi weekly 400 chocobucks to fund my racing in the circuit.

Don't question my experience. That annoys me too.

Finally, as per intellegince and tact being similiar to discernment and receptivity...

Discernment AND Receptivity influence these stats. But discernment is tact's dominant, and receptivity is acc/eva dominant. But birds with high discernment have notable resist rates, and birds with high receptivity have the equivalent tact of a bird with lv 4-5 discernment.

[Frenzy]

Obviously you didn't read my guide much, for it does take yellow birds into account.

I read your guide, you still haven't said on how you came to those theories and how many Chocobos you raised/observed for that.
And as I said, out of twenty Chocobos that according to your theory have a chance for color none was any color but yellow (like their parents and the percentages are above 50% for color). Even though I don't trust such a small sample size, one would expect at least one of them to be another color than yellow, wouldn't one?

The second stat though, is your chance of what color. The higher of the 4 colors, blue, green, red, or black that becomes the dominant color. Thus if you have 50% chanc eof color, 25% blue, 20% green, 15% red, blue is the dominant color, so you have a a 50% chance of a color, which happens to be blue.

Owh, woops, then a little poor birdy-wirdy must have erred in its color, because according to your theory it's dominant stat was red with 50% (105% for getting color, btw). Birdy-wirdy turned out to be black.

As for how many races have I analyzed? I've capped out 2 entire birds using chocobucks. Luckily the second had 2 of the 3 capped from training, so thats 4 stats capped out with chocobucks, three for the first, one for the second.

Wow, that doesn't impress me at all. I got 6 capped out Chocobos (granted one is a digger).

Two isn't really much variation to do testing with (and there is a vast difference between a SS (capped) A C C, Gallop, Canter, nice weather and a SS (capped) A C C, Gallop, Canter, nice weather).

Don't question my experience. That annoys me too.

Sorry, I question your experience, because I don't think you have much and that you don't actually go very scientifically about the whole thing.

Finally, as per intellegince and tact being similiar to discernment and receptivity...

Discernment AND Receptivity influence these stats. But discernment is tact's dominant, and receptivity is acc/eva dominant. But birds with high discernment have notable resist rates, and birds with high receptivity have the equivalent tact of a bird with lv 4-5 discernment.

And you came to the conclusion that there exist some mysterious nowhere documented intelligence and tact stats by observing your two racing chocobos?
How many races have you observed for that and was that before or after the June update and/or September update? Do your tests take weather into account, the different items used, the stats of rival Chocobos, saddles, jockey orders, chance?

Ever thought that those two stats don't exist and it's just a play between the other stats and Mistress Luck?

While we are at it, you put the info that Gallop and Canter add a level to their respective stats into otherwiki. Where does that knowledge come from?

[nitsuj]

From a programming standpoint, I'm fairly certain that the stats listed would be the only stats used. The scripts are probably relatively simple, and we're just making them more complex because we want to.

At least, that's how we do it in our games @ work.

[urat]

And you came to the conclusion that there exist some mysterious nowhere documented intelligence and tact stats by observing your two racing chocobos?
How many races have you observed for that and was that before or after the June update and/or September update? Do your tests take weather into account, the different items used, the stats of rival Chocobos, saddles, jockey orders, chance?

If you must know, I sat and documented over 250 circuit races, scribbling down their stats. This was an attempt at creating a system that allows me to figure otu what bird will place first.

Through this, I noticed birds with high discernment and receptivity had ridiculous resist rates, and their items would drop a bird from first place to last in one hit.

Messages in the race, specificly the "____appears to be waiting for the perfect moment to make their move" or the other 2 similiar messages, were alwats from birds with high discernment. A couple times bird swith low discernment ahd it, and very VERY rarely one with 0 had it. But about 95% of these messages came from "smart birds"


My stats come from NPC messages, obviousness, and the very descriptions of items. In all seriosness, I think the only reason you're arguing this is because your bored and want to stir shit.

Wow, that doesn't impress me at all. I got 6 capped out Chocobos (granted one is a digger).

I know what I'm talking about. You can or cannot believe me, but don;t go wavign aroudn your "6 racing birds" bull shit. Maybe you have, maybe you haven't, but after one bird capped, you really can't get any more experienced.

And if you raced all those chocobucks, at 25K a train, 8 per level, thats at least 6 individual levels, one per bird. So 300K. Maybe.

It takes at leats 4 months to cap a bird unless you buy your trains, which quadruples the price. So at 4 months a bird, 6 birds... You're trying to convince me you spent 2 yearss doing nothing but raising one super bird after another. AND thats if you managed to pull off getting both canter and gallop first try on all 6 in a row.

Cause to gather that many chocobucks you have to sit and do nothing but race.

I call bullshit in all honesty. Maybe you have 6 racing birds at SS-SS-F-F that you raised for 2 months then finished on, but 6 capped birds? No.

[Clave]

Multiple birds is only hard to believe because you restrict yourself to one character. Pretty sure Frenzy's mentioned raising chocobos on his mules. I capped 3 birds in a little over 2 months, only stopping there because I chose to out of lazyness. Most of the people that had posted on the pullus torque thread also mentioned spamming free races regardless of how much it costs.

Stats: I'm with the rest in saying that you're really making this more complicated than it really is. Neither side has definite proof, just saying it makes most sense and is more likely. You can interpret the content S-E gives you however you want, but I wouldn't push that interpretation on others and say "this is how it works". At least not without opening myself to criticism.

Colors: I doubt any theories considering stats, place of stable, etc, determining or influencing color. 2 of the 3 chocobos I raised at the same time were identical in their plan and had the same parents. They were given the same combinations of food every day, had the same plan, and were given the same exact care options every day. One thing that I noticed from this is that, as a result, they were identical in every way as long as I kept this up. They always got sick on the same day, they always got injured on the same day, they always got more responsive on the same day, and their stats always went up the same day. At one point during my time raising them, after they became adults and their colors fully manifested(one turned out red, one turned out green) I gave them a different combination of food. The next day, one was sick and the other was fine. I digressed a bit, but my point in this is either stats don't determine color 100%(they have influence, just no guarantees), or they don't have any influence whatsoever. The latter is much more likely. Given that you doubt raising 6 capped chocobos, chances are you don't have a remotely large enough sample size for the color theories(even uncapped ones), enough to even make any hypothesis.

You can propose all kinds of wacky theories and it's very easy to make your data match it. Have you seen all the wacky TH theories over the years? Many had documented their tests and shown how their theories matched it. As you checked them all, you would have found that some of them contradict each other or "prove" the other one is not the case. In the end nobody agrees on much of anything specific beyond what S-E has explicitly said about it. Due to its nature, it's extremely hard to test and be able to get any good reliable info out of it.

Also, unrelated, but where did you notice the "____appears to be waiting for the perfect moment to make their move" message? I've watched countless circuit races and don't remember anything like it.

[urat]

Also, unrelated, but where did you notice the "____appears to be waiting for the perfect moment to make their move" message? I've watched countless circuit races and don't remember anything like it.

Happens rarely in circuit when bird with high intellecrt stats is set to final bursdt, and is VS several final burst offensive item birds.

The bird will purposfully ahng wayyyy at the back, then the maessage appears, then the birds use items and own the elad bird. Then the smart one rockets past all the other chocobos. Rare, but you see it from time to time.

It happens when they run into the tunnel and you see the emssage "And they've reached the halfway mark" then the galka follows up with the message.

I'd say I see it about... 1/50 races. Never in the free runs, just official and circuit races

[Teorem]

Because your third stat only goes up to A, thats -3 levels to both. A total of 8x4-6. Or 24 levels. At 8 chocotrains per level, thats 192 chocotrains. At 80 chocobucks per train, thats 15,630 chocobucks. My bird averages 4 chocobucks per race. So thats a grand total of 3840 races.

Just to cap those birds. Not including building chocobucks to do official races, and my bi weekly 400 chocobucks to fund my racing in the circuit.

Don't question my experience. That annoys me too.

It would be a lot easier to not question your experience if it really took 8 80-chocobuck trainings to increase a level (which it doesn't unless this was changed in the last update).

People that skim over posts then make conclusions on them annoy me. Please don't.

I looked at your theory. I also looked at the Discussion page. And then I looked at your not-so-recently-updated blog. And the other person's blog demonstrating your theory didn't work for their chocobo.

All I see are arbitrary percentages with no supporting data. Anyone can make claims like that as long as the numbers add up to 100%; if you want people to take your idea seriously, where is the proof behind your conculsions? How many chicks did you raise from scratch and/or get detailed feedback from other players including all of those variables on stats, color, warmth, care plan, and affection?

I could easily say that the chance behind a chocobo's color have no dependence on any other factor but luck, and are yellow (63.97%), blue (9.05%), red (7.23%), black (13.87%), and green (5.88%). I've presented just as much proof AND it's a lot simpler in expression, too.

[urat]

The blog is from ages ago, and has nothign to do with my theory, it's just me taking care of my racing bird.

The other person didn't even read the theory properly and made a fool of himself, due to the fact his bird supported, not broke, my theory.

[Teorem]

The blog is from ages ago, and has nothign to do with my theory, it's just me taking care of my racing bird.

There's still no proof anywhere from which you can show how you derived your numbers on your guide.

The other person didn't even read the theory properly and made a fool of himself, due to the fact his bird supported, not broke, my theory.

Can you explain how? The screenshot from Curjos' blog shows you sending him /tells estimating his chocobo to be either 80% red and 20% yellow OR 80% blue, 5% black, and 15% yellow....and his chocobo turning out green.

The blogs and your guide were dated within four months of each other, hardly "ages ago."

[urat]

Green is dominant over blue.

[Frenzy]

If you must know, I sat and documented over 250 circuit races, scribbling down their stats. This was an attempt at creating a system that allows me to figure otu what bird will place first.

And how many of those races were really competitive races with player raised chocobos and not the wimpy NPC ones?

I think the only reason you're arguing this is because your bored and want to stir shit.

No, I'm arguing because 250 races is very little in statistics and there are enough "I have found a pattern in a little test samples, so my test samples must be true."

Maybe you have, maybe you haven't, but after one bird capped, you really can't get any more experienced.

In other words, you haven't tested different combos and therefore haven't taken their reactions into the test.

And if you raced all those chocobucks, at 25K a train, 8 per level, thats at least 6 individual levels, one per bird. So 300K. Maybe.

What? I race 80 Bucks for 20.5k, it takes 5-6 trains per level. How the heck are you training your birds.

It takes at leats 4 months to cap a bird unless you buy your trains, which quadruples the price. So at 4 months a bird, 6 birds... You're trying to convince me you spent 2 yearss doing nothing but raising one super bird after another. AND thats if you managed to pull off getting both canter and gallop first try on all 6 in a row.

Chocobo racing has been out for two years, and why shouldn't I raise one super after another, trying out different combos looking for the ultimate killer (you known, doing actual raising instead of just theorizing about it). And theoretically it takes exactly 29 days to cap out a bird. It's possible, though not recommendable, to race the Tokens yourself in that time, I have no idea why you think one should buy them

And Gallop and Canter are rather easy, one you have at birth (preferably Canter) and the other you spam when you are done with raising Str while raising Dis. Only one was Choco was stubborn enough to take longer than day 60 to learn the second story (which was probably more due to the fact, that Brutus was lazy in visiting).

Cause to gather that many chocobucks you have to sit and do nothing but race.

Wrong, to do that I have a lot of time having Final Fantasy XI play itself for five minutes while I do something else and take a look at it for a minute every five minutes or there abouts.

I call bullshit in all honesty. Maybe you have 6 racing birds at SS-SS-F-F that you raised for 2 months then finished on, but 6 capped birds? No.

As I said, I don't think you have actual experience past all your "I have two birds and grand theories with made up terms".

Btw, you haven't answered when you did your 250 races to look at. You also haven't answered where the theory comes from, that Galopp and Canter raise Str and End one level.
You also haven't answered how many raised Chocobos you observed for your color theory.
You also haven't explained how a Chocobo with dominant red could become black suddenly. Want the data, so we can do the math together?

Multiple birds is only hard to believe because you restrict yourself to one character. Pretty sure Frenzy's mentioned raising chocobos on his mules. I capped 3 birds in a little over 2 months, only stopping there because I chose to out of lazyness. Most of the people that had posted on the pullus torque thread also mentioned spamming free races regardless of how much it costs.

I have indeed raise Chocos on my mules (same way you did, same parents, same plans, same food). But the racers are one character since I don't have mutliple accounts and can only race on one character.
The mules only have uncapped racers that can get quite far in the Swamp races, but haven't beaten the Pullus Torque race yet (and after the last racing marothon I'm rather race out, so no Token training for them).

But I ave to confess, that I'm tickled to raise one Japanese style and see how that goes, I have one that is similar, but haven't yet had the chance to test it against the Japanese Chocos. Hopefully SE doesn't fiddle around with racing on Monday.

[The Stig]

Give up, Frenzy. You're talking to someone who thinks Mythic Weapons cost 1 billion gil.

[Guppy]

After the December update, some folks are reporting that their chocobo's gender has suddenly changed. This update doesn't have any announced chocobo updates, so it seems there have been some coding changes behind the scenes. SE is aware of the glitch.
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Also, there is a new baby chocobo in the Windurst stables, haven't checked the other nations yet. It appears to be decorative only, so far.

[urat]

Give up, Frenzy. You're talking to someone who thinks Mythic Weapons cost 1 billion gil.

price was calculated when the price of alexandrite was 20K each, it's now 2K each, kthxbye


As to chocbo gender changing, hope my princependragon didnt just turn into a princess O_O

on the other hand, wonder if you could get chococard now, then different one if it gets fixed and mate a bird with itself.... =o

[Grandphoenix]

600mil != 1billion

[Ryphen]

After the December update, some folks are reporting that their chocobo's gender has suddenly changed. This update doesn't have any announced chocobo updates, so it seems there have been some coding changes behind the scenes. SE is aware of the glitch.

Also, there is a new baby chocobo in the Windurst stables, haven't checked the other nations yet. It appears to be decorative only, so far.

I thought something seemed strange when I checked my bird today. Not that I'd mind my chocobo being male, but it had me confused for a good minute.

[Guppy]

on the other hand, wonder if you could get chococard now, then different one if it gets fixed and mate a bird with itself.... =o

:D Somebody's got to do this! Even better if you have an old chococard from before the change, since there's a possibility SE might revert all cards as well when they do the fix. I don't have an active chocobo at the moment though...

Edit: Not sure if it that will work, I'm hearing it's just a reporting glitch, not sure if your chocobo's coded gender actually changes.

[Quendi]

Another feeding question. What does everyone feed their birds after care plans become irrelevant? I suppose it would vary from bird to bird. I'm sitting @ 8/6/4/2, obviously wanting to get mental stats up, but I don't want to risk losing anymore on the physical traits. Does anyone use san d'orian carrots and has noticed any stat increases? I imagine they hardly do much, but as far as I can read, if they do raise all stats even by very little, wouldn't it be your best choice of food if that was your goal, increase all stats? At this point, I'm solely relying on chocobucks and racing to raise stats, but I figured anything would help as long as it doesn't risk lowering any stats.

[Frenzy]

Another feeding question. What does everyone feed their birds after care plans become irrelevant?

I feed Gysahl Greens from birth to retirement, everything else is a waste of good Gil to me.

[Quendi]

San d'Orian carrots can be bought at an npc for 28-158 gil or something, usually 28-30. Gysahl greens are always 68+ a piece. So ya, not talking about anything too drastically expensive here.