WoTG HNMs

[altwight]

21-24 hr NMs should not be 10mil for full drop. The cost of HNM drops from WoTG are ridiculously over priced. Note that I don't want any of the drops, I'm just saying it's rather stupid a LS can pump out atleast a stage 4 relic every month or so. There's only a handful of Linkshells I'm aware of that camp WoTG NMs. Isn't this monopoly? Drops so easily to come by yet priced at amounts 70% of the population can't afford. It's tard.

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[Yugl]

As long as that 30% can afford it, it doesn't matter.

[drwaffles]

It's not monopoly if no one else bothers to try and outclaim them.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Things are only priced at what people are willing to pay, and if your server is like my server, it appears like people are not having an issue pony'n over the dough for these drops cause people buy this stuff daily.

[Tubbers]

You act like there is something wrong with a monopoly of this nature. Pro tip: there isn't, otherwise the cost would be lower.

[altwight]

The prices should be lower.

[Kerberoz]

If no one was paying, the prices would be lower. People are paying, so obviously the price isn't too high, or they wouldn't sell. Durr.

[Baelorn]

If no one was paying, the prices would be lower. People are paying, so obviously the price isn't too high, or they wouldn't sell. Durr.

If an LS has them locked down people have no choice but to pay what that LS is charging if they want that item. That's the problem with monopolies.

If there is no monopolization that point is void.

I'm not sure which items are over 10M anyways. If it is the tathlums that's because they have a low droprate and members of the LS probably still need them.

[Valyana]

WotG HNM pop mechanics make them impossible to monopolize. Just need to have a motivated LS.

[Not Kuno]

WotG HNM pop mechanics make them impossible to monopolize. Just need to have a motivated LS.

This. Unless they pos hack. D:

[Hellfury]

21-24 hr NMs should not be 10mil for full drop. The cost of HNM drops from WoTG are ridiculously over priced. Note that I don't want any of the drops, I'm just saying it's rather stupid a LS can pump out atleast a stage 4 relic every month or so. There's only a handful of Linkshells I'm aware of that camp WoTG NMs. Isn't this monopoly? Drops so easily to come by yet priced at amounts 70% of the population can't afford. It's tard.

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(excluding the claimbotting&RMT discussion intentionally here, and grossly oversimplifying)
Well, yes and no, they have a monopoly in the sense that they are the few groups selling those items, but as is pointed out, there's a monopoly only in the sense there aren't that many other groups trying to get them, not in the sense that they have a REAL complete dominion over the entire product chain. ugh, hard to put this into English. um.. in essence, their monopoly is only a monopoly by the way of "there's no one else attempting", rather than "no one else CAN attempt".

Furthermore, the basic concept of market economics dictate that a product is worth what people are willing to pay for it, if people are willing to pay 10m for a specific item, it would be retarded of the LS' who can sell them NOT to take those 10m.
If an item isn't worth 10m to you, don't buy it, if/when the rest of the market agrees with your assessment, the price will go down over time as the demand at given price is satiated, and more of the items enter the market over time. This process repeats itself every time something new enters the market and everyone who has been playing this game for more than a couple of months have seen this phenomena time and again.

in addition to this, very few items in this game are so zOMG that they don't have acceptable temporary/permanent substitutes.

It's not a monopoly in the true sense, stop whining about the injustices of the world, gather a few friends and go hunting.

adding:
Also; the argument can be made that at one point the worth of the loot will drop so low that there is no longer any real desire in HNM LS' to hunt it and this will make the supply go away. This just isn't a problem/true, should this happens, it just means it'll be that much easier for less active groupings to go out and claim.

[Vigilia]

There is no monopoly, like pointed above the mobs are impossible to monopolize due to pop mechanics. You want the drops so much, round up 12-18 friends and go kill the mobs yourself. Enjoy a week in a row of Serket before you even see Lambton and then only to get screwed by both your tanks being left outside due to the glitch. They're annoying as hell mobs to camp (feel free to go spam widescan nonstop in a random zone for 3hrs~ and tell me how fun it is) and drops are not 100% (we've seen plenty of no-drop Serkets/KAs/Guivres even with TH4). No LS will be willing to drop the price of sold items until the market is saturated enough that they can't sell them anymore otherwise and many LSes aren't even selling some or any of the drops yet because their members want them.

[Ayn]

Pretty much what the above poster said.

For the record, Sandworm is 20-25, not 21-24.

Not to mention it can appear in a zone, and if no one claims within an hour, depop entirely, meaning you wasted a night scanning for it.

Taking that into consideration I'm surprised they haven't tacked on an extra mil as a bullshit fee.

But seriously yeah, I've had the no drop on KA and Guivre happen a few times, and lemme tell you, it crushes morale worse than a thundercloud only drop from behemoth.

[Alistaire]

HAY GUYS LOL!

This was the most reasonable part of the OP. A lot of these items are very good, and the fights are relatively hard compared to kings etc. Lambton Worm is very rare. Compare these drops to things like Jet Seraweels, which originally sold for 5m and come from a mob on a 4-hr respawn that can be soloed, and the prices now on some of the wotg nm drops, also on a 4-hr respawn and require few people to kill. Considering how poorly some of the "well-organized" linkshells on a few servers fight Dark Ixion it would be very funny to watch something along the lines of a pickup group make the attempt.

In the end, you're really only posting to bitch, or at least I seriously hope you don't think you can change the market by being 1 person complaining about it.

[bombard]

IF you think something is that amazing, save up and buy it OR find people to help you kill it.

If you don't, then don't. I swear if one more person bitches about the price of ix'ion drops i'm gonna scream, because I'm pretty sure the 10m of drops refers to Ix'ion.

Since you don't agree with the prices of them, why don't you buy them all and re-list them at the lower price you think they should be.

[Ayn]

In his/her defense, I believe the OP stated that he/she did not want any of the drops.

[Grandphoenix]

It's not in sea..Ix'ion no lol

Hell my zeni shell killed both WoTG HNM's it's not that hard to do just takes work camping it.

[Spekkio]

gas is too expensive too! we should have the government cut prices on that so everyone can afford it! oh wait... i think i remember us trying that...
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selling a product for more or less than the market will support would be unwise for the seller. too little and your supply won't last and you're missing out on profits. too much and you don't move product. if people will pay 10m for a torque, then these LSes would be daft not to sell it for 10m. if prices are too high for your taste, get into the market and start obtaining/selling them yourself! then you can make money hand over fist like they do.

it's not a monopoly unless the entity controlling said supposed monopoly has a method to actively deny any competition from being able to enter the market. a bot that could claim faf/nid 100% of the time would be a monopoly. an overwhelming force out to claim sandworm and consistently getting it b/c they pony up the most resources to claim/kill it does not represent a monopoly any more than a mineral prospecting company that sends out more research teams is monopolizing the mineral rights over a company that sends out comparatively few teams.

[dejet]

Only thing wrong with what everyone here is saying is that this is not at all true. The LS get this amount of gil, because people BUY gil. Yes everyone seems to be fine with this and has gotten over the "ZOMG" part of it, however 10mil is not a fair price. im willing to bet around 50% of the people who buy this stuff buy gil(or have) do i want the cape? Ya id like one, but the price.

Its not a hard fight just hard to camp, 12-18 people will not get you the claim when you have a ls that has 50 people camping it.

idc how people see it. the price is way up there because of the two reasons posted above.
if people buy it w/e they going to get the gil. but to bring anything at all into this about how the real world works is total bull shit.

[Drunkenmonk]

what the fuck is the point of this thread