Best PLD gear at 75

[Valisk]

I wouldn't use shadow ring unless it was on darkdays. Occasionally having magic damage take 0 isn't that great since it don't proc very much. Sattva probably would be better.

If you arent hurting for enmity (which with that gear you wont be), Shadow Ring > Sattva. Could always macro in Sattva for Flash/Cures/JAs if you feel.

[Drunkenmonk]

I wouldn't use shadow ring unless it was on darkdays. Occasionally having magic damage take 0 isn't that great since it don't proc very much. Sattva probably would be better.

wait what? do you even have 1? it procs a fucking lot compared to mantle, and alot of times when you need it to the most.

[Tekki]

Take it from me, Sattva is a waste, get a Rajas instead. Shadowring is priceless... If you have it keep it on.

[drwaffles]

Wouldn't Arco de Velocidad be the optimum idling piece? The MP bonus and the HP bonus from Kaman and Arco respectively are negligible (although the HP is arguably less useless), so wouldn't it be better to idle in something that gives Regen and swap in the Kaman when MDB is needed? You could even use SpellCast to only swap in Arco during the day too, I guess.

[Blaksen]

You wipe your tp when you swap ranged weapon, so its mostly a pick and choose thing unless you don't want to use Chivalry or Atonement.

[kareface]

hit/proc ratio high enough to add enough damage to outweigh the emnity lost and DoT of Burtgang

The light damage proc on the excal doesn't give you anymore hate.

[Kurt Cobain]

it also isn't light damage

[Grey Jorildyn]

it also never gave hate, ever.

[drwaffles]

He said "anymore hate", not "hate anymore".

[Kurt Cobain]

i'm still not sure why people are so hung up over the additional not giving hate, if you need to rely on your sword to hold hate or cap CE, then do your ls a favor and uninstall. maybe its just me but I like parsing #1 on khim/cerb/tiamat while tanking =)

[Grey Jorildyn]

Well I'm either dyslexic or that was ninja-edited

Also wanted to say I don't think Valhalla pieces are good standing/idle/etc gear whatsoever. The body has its uses for /war and an "oh shit" set when solo'ing stuff. I have both pieces and am not impressed by the head at all, and I am constantly swapping the body out when I am bloodtanking (ie. Dynamis, Gurfurlur) for Ares's Cuirass when moving and not fighting (it's in there with my Crimson Cuisses swap now!).

Neither piece really has a spot in /nin gear, the head especially. Is there some glamorous new finding that makes these pieces more appealing than stuff we all were already using (aka Koenig Schaller, Bahamut's Mask, Hydra Salade)? I haven't heard about it, but if there is, I'm all-ears.

I don't think anyone is hung up over the additional effect not giving hate. It is really nice to be able to deal damage while doing your tank thing as it is. A couple of Cerbs ago a Paladin in my linkshell was parsing my accuracy on the fight. I was able to put out 60% accuracy using Dorado Sushi and my usual standing gear, and I dealt over 7k damage as well. I was using a Hauteclaire. It's not about the parse so much as "hey I've already got this weapon out for parry procs, I may as well use all that TP I am getting for something useful" since Chivalry isn't something a seasoned Paladin ever rides, or at least, I certainly never do.

In my mind, Atonement filled one of the two gaps PLD did not have in generating hate and it was being able to pump out good spiked weapon skill damage. The other component that still lacks is melee damage for enmity, but Excalibur is about as close as it gets right now, providing the damage portion without the enmity bonus; not a terrible trade off at all when combined with Atonement! If the Conqueror testimonials are any indication of what the Burtgang might bring, you're looking at a 100% complete package in generating enmity: spell, job ability, melee damage, and weapon skill damage enmity all from a single job that is defensive as hell.

[Ratatapa]

Best Setup

Durandal
Ritter Shield
Iron Musketeer Gorget
Death earring X2
Topaz/soil ring X2
Adaman Gloves body legs head feet
Knightly Mantle
Marid Belt





Btw that is not true

[Neosutra]

Well I'm either dyslexic or that was ninja-edited

Also wanted to say I don't think Valhalla pieces are good standing/idle/etc gear whatsoever. The body has its uses for /war and an "oh shit" set when solo'ing stuff. I have both pieces and am not impressed by the head at all, and I am constantly swapping the body out when I am bloodtanking (ie. Dynamis, Gurfurlur) for Ares's Cuirass when moving and not fighting (it's in there with my Crimson Cuisses swap now!).

Neither piece really has a spot in /nin gear, the head especially. Is there some glamorous new finding that makes these pieces more appealing than stuff we all were already using (aka Koenig Schaller, Bahamut's Mask, Hydra Salade)? I haven't heard about it, but if there is, I'm all-ears.

I don't think anyone is hung up over the additional effect not giving hate. It is really nice to be able to deal damage while doing your tank thing as it is. A couple of Cerbs ago a Paladin in my linkshell was parsing my accuracy on the fight. I was able to put out 60% accuracy using Dorado Sushi and my usual standing gear, and I dealt over 7k damage as well. I was using a Hauteclaire. It's not about the parse so much as "hey I've already got this weapon out for parry procs, I may as well use all that TP I am getting for something useful" since Chivalry isn't something a seasoned Paladin ever rides, or at least, I certainly never do.

In my mind, Atonement filled one of the two gaps PLD did not have in generating hate and it was being able to pump out good spiked weapon skill damage. The other component that still lacks is melee damage for enmity, but Excalibur is about as close as it gets right now, providing the damage portion without the enmity bonus; not a terrible trade off at all when combined with Atonement! If the Conqueror testimonials are any indication of what the Burtgang might bring, you're looking at a 100% complete package in generating enmity: spell, job ability, melee damage, and weapon skill damage enmity all from a single job that is defensive as hell.

Valhalla gear is very nice idle gear for /nin (if you cant hit the shit you're tanking like i said). I agree that Kaiser head is probably better for some situations, but I macro between them depending on wether the mob has high AoE physical damage or how fast it wipes shadows. And like you, if I can eat sushi and hit the mob and spam atonement w/o killing myself then I do it. I find Valhalla head most useful in kite situations. V.body is only secondary for idle when you are trying to get TP. Macro in ares/hydra/valor as needed.

And whoever said shadow ring is useless idle peice should never post again.

Also, as I stated, use excal when you can provide better DoT for the fight in situations where the added hate from burtgang is not as important as speeding up the fight (the recent PW fight is a good example). Not knowing the extra potential of burtgang may change that. Either way, excal is far from useless and still would have its nitches for a burtgang owner.

[Zumi]

Obviously you know who I am cause we are in the same dynamis LS.

I still have disagree with you on shadow ring I wouldn't use it. If its so great how come you picked mantle over it in dynamis bums? Which overall has even less use then ring, valor or cerb is better still lol

[kareface]

i'm still not sure why people are so hung up over the additional not giving hate, if you need to rely on your sword to hold hate or cap CE, then do your ls a favor and uninstall. maybe its just me but I like parsing #1 on khim/cerb/tiamat while tanking =)

I can't take hate holding advice seriously from someone who's suppose to be dead.

[Khalil]

Take it from me, Sattva is a waste, get a Rajas instead. Shadowring is priceless... If you have it keep it on.

This man speaks the truth. Fuck Sattva! That's not to say it's that current PLDs who do have it suck but it can be replaced with existing gear. Perfect idle rings are Dring/Sring, imo. There's only a couple fights you would ever need to remove your Sring for another ring >_>

[terraflarex]

Obviously you know who I am cause we are in the same dynamis LS.

I still have disagree with you on shadow ring I wouldn't use it. If its so great how come you picked mantle over it in dynamis bums? Which overall has even less use then ring, valor or cerb is better still lol

Shadow ring is much better than mantle, imo. First of all, the proc rate on mantle is pretty terrible; whereas, ring procs a lot more often. Also, even with aegis, boxer's mantle is the better piece against harder end game mobs. That being said, shadow mantle is best possible if you're fighting something that you can more or less cap block rate on w/o using boxer's. Only reason not to use shadow ring is if you're fighting something that never uses any form of magic.

[Neosutra]

Obviously you know who I am cause we are in the same dynamis LS.

I still have disagree with you on shadow ring I wouldn't use it. If its so great how come you picked mantle over it in dynamis bums? Which overall has even less use then ring, valor or cerb is better still lol

Woops, didnt see who posted >.>

That being said, the mantle being an awesome peice (and it still is, even with the movement towards /nin all the time), has no relation to the fact that the ring is by far the superior idle peice for any pld ring (including d.ring if you have aegis, since you're already capped on magic down). As for the shadow mantle, having last night when I was at 10% hp and trying to get shadows up and BOOM mantle proc -> shadows up -> fully recovered = awesome. Mantle is still the best back peice for DoT reduction and still the best idle peice for pld in most situations.

[Grey Jorildyn]

Shadow/Defending Ring are definitely tops for idle on PLD, no doubts there.

I still don't see it for the Valhalla Helm. Bahamut's Mask is still better than it, Hydra Salade too. The body, to me, is the only piece of real value and it's not a full-timer either (thanks Ares's Cuirass for complicating Paladin!).

Also, Sattva is easily replaceable. It is one of those pieces that is fantastically situational for stuff like cure cheats. To me, it is one of those pinnacle Paladin pieces because it offers some great stuff and when you crunch numbers on Paladin as I do, the advantages become clear. That being said, a Bloodbead Ring replaces it really well when you need another 30+ HP ring. You'll lose enmity, but really, that's not impossible to makeup these days with cure swaps, potential weapon skill damage, and skillful use of job abilities and Flash.

As for Shadow Mantle: I don't own one and I bid a very low amount of points on it and never win. I don't really care either. It's not worth it to me. Why? I do not think it is the best idle backpiece at all. It's certainly in the top three, but it's far from first. Boxer's Mantle offers more stuff when "idle", and Valor Cape boosts the potential of Paladin by offering Enmity and HP (which we now know factors into enmity as well). The VIT boosts Rampart and the cape has a crapton of defense on it as well. In a bloodtanking situation, I'd still use Boxer's Mantle over it on the premise that +10 to each defensive combat skill will most likely reduce more damage over time than reducing all damage instantly 5% (approximation of Shadow Mantle proc) of the time. You could argue that that 5% could land on a mighty big weapon skill, but most of the time, it will probably just proc on a melee hit (depending on how fast you're TP'ing the mob).

[wop]

I use Gigant full time when I DD with Excal.

3 Excal PLD on JOL 2 weeks ago, = 10 min win