Bush/Cheney 2.0 now with more zionism

[Elvis]

All parts are on youtube. It was a segment on yesterday's DemocracyNOW broadcast.

[noblemountain]

i've been thinking about re-joining the army for a couple months now...this might be a good time. i could use some extra tax-free cash and i can't seem to catch a break with fighting at the moment. lol

any positions open in 2nd Bn. churchill?

[Beckwin]

Judging from my last conversation with Beckwin about this issue; yes, he probably does think that.

I think there's a very good possibility of it happening because of how much popular support there would be- it would almost lock up 2012. It seems pretty clear to me that Obama wants to gtfo of Iraq and then snag a victory in Afghanistan, which would make him the guy that ended our Iraq quagmire and the guy who actually liberates/calms Afghanistan, catches Osama, etc.

Iraq is a four letter word among the electorate.

[Beckwin]

also, here's a NYP article I want to believe:

WE HEAR . . . WE HEAR- New York Post

ironic isn't the word, but I think serendipitous might fit.

[Churchill]

i've been thinking about re-joining the army for a couple months now...this might be a good time. i could use some extra tax-free cash and i can't seem to catch a break with fighting at the moment. lol

any positions open in 2nd Bn. churchill?

you know there are, lol. e5's go to rip now though, so keep that in mind

[guartz]

what's a rip?

[Churchill]

something i'd like to forget

[noblemountain]

something i'd like to forget

but never will. lol

[Fhloston]

It's hard to know what to believe these days regarding politics, and the world in general. You hear "911 conspiracy, inside job" but think to yourself..really? I'm not the type to buy in to anything I hear right off the bat and argue about it here unless I've researched it. I also don't know as much about politics as I should, though I'm trying to change that.

I hear of corrupt politicians all of the time, yet people speak of Obama like he's a messiah. I, like everyone, am interested to see what "change" he brings in his term in office. I've heard from one point of view, change can never occur. The "men behind the curtain" have too much power and influence to let it happen. If someone tries, they die for it. That the only freedom we have is to enter into a subservient role in the workplace, or starve.

From another point of view, the above is a bunch of BS, and that Obama is the breath of fresh air this country needs, and will hopefully turn the US in a positive direction.

I guess we'll see, but like I said..hard to know what to believe.

Edit: inb4 Conspiracy Theorist! also...just stating what I've heard from different points of view. I do enjoy these political discussions though!

[guartz]

Hi, Geruda. Nice to meet you, my name is Guartz.

[guartz]

Also wtf is a rip, seriously?

If you guys don't tell me, i'm forever gonna assume it's got something to do with your anus, or rather the sound it made.

[noblemountain]

Also wtf is a rip, seriously?

If you guys don't tell me, i'm forever gonna assume it's got something to do with your anus, or rather the sound it made.

ranger indoctrination program

[archibaldcrane]

It's like a frat hazing, but with less things put in your ass.

[Kuya]

Less, or more? I guess Russian military forces are just more hardcore.

[guartz]

Russian hazing IS hardcore. It's like torture, designed to make you hate. HATE.

Then they give you guns and point.

[Churchill]

But not to make you think, which is one of the things I've learned when dealing with other military forces; they don't think about anything logically.

[Kuya]

Hundreds of thousands of new recruits face grossly abusive treatment at the hands of senior conscripts throughout their first year of service in the Russian armed forces, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today.

The 86-page report, “The Wrongs of Passage: Inhuman and Degrading Treatment of New Recruits in the Russian Armed Forces,” documents the serious human rights abuses involved in dedovshchina, or “rule of the grandfathers,” which results in the deaths of dozens of conscripts every year, and serious—and often permanent—damage to the physical and mental health of thousands others. Hundreds of conscripts commit or attempt suicide each year, and thousands run away from their units.

In the Russian army, older conscripts force new recruits to live in a year-long state of pointless servitude, punish them violently for any infractions of official or informal rules, and abuse them gratuitously - practices which clearly violate Russia’s military code of conduct. The

When Roman Rudakov’s story first appeared in the media, Sergei Ivanov, then the minister of Defense, publicly said that Roman had a “rare blood disease.” – and no manner of “bullying.” Almost immediately it became apparent that this wasn’t so: Rudakov genuinely suffers from a blood condition, but “bullying” was also present. Medical documents and witness testimony soon surfaced and made it clear that Roman was regularly beaten in the unit where he served. In September 2006, an alleged blow to the stomach injured the vessels of his small intestine, after which the youth began to suffer tissue necrosis. After that, Rudakov was given directions to the Sosnovoborsky hospital, and he was sent on foot, without money, to the doctors. The distance between the Pesochnoye village, where Rudakov was serving, and the Sosnovoborsky hospital is more than 80 kilometers. Later, his small intestine was removed in St. Petersburg, and it was then when the story really became publicly known. The “Soldiers’ Mothers” found the dying soldier on a hospital bed and raised a racket.

His ordeal began on New Year's Eve 2005, when a group of soldiers at an armour academy in Chelyabinsk, an industrial city in the Ural Mountains, forced Mr Sychyov to squat for three hours and beat his lower body.

Commanders ignored Mr Sychyov complaints of pain in his legs and he received little or no medical attention for days. Eventually gangrene spread through his lower extremities, and doctors had to amputate first one leg, then the other, then his genitals, then the tip of his right ring finger.

Yea, Russia doesn't seem to get that training!=torture.

[Dimmauk]

That reminds me of the video of that Russian soldier had recruits lined up and he went by front kicking all of them.

[guartz]

But not to make you think, which is one of the things I've learned when dealing with other military forces; they don't think about anything logically.

That's actually a very good observation. But who needs to think if you have orders?


Although, *just* other military forces?

[Churchill]

I will admit that there is a culture of do what you're told and don't ask why in the American Military.

Soldier's have 8 battle drills, unit defined but generally similar to most other units. These are 8 things a soldier is supposed to be able to do without thinking because they've spent so much time training for them that all that is needed is for them to react and execute.

Beyond that, your privates have their battle drills, and the spend their time memorizing weapons and TTP's and learning various skills.

After you get to E-4 and up is really your leadership time, where E-4 and E-5 are spent learning to be a leader, even if people say you should step into that slot already prepared...well they're full of shit. This is the difference, from here on up in the American military. As an E-4+ (or hell, in my job as an E-2) I have decision making capabilities that far exceed those of any soviet bloc country and many NATO countries as well.