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    People talk a lot of shit about ret not taking skill, it's silly.

    It's every bit as if not more complex to make decisions on the fly with tons of your gcd's than to do traditional rotations, which take extremely little skill outside knowing when to use which rotation. It's also harder to avoid tunnel visioning when you need to be aware exactly what's coming up exactly when.

    I honestly won't be surprised at all if they move more classes in that direction in the future.

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    DK's two-handed weapon spec talents: Is it 4% to melee damage only, 4% to melee damage and direct attack abilities (weapon strikes, but not death coil/howling blast) or 4% to ALL damage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plow View Post
    People talk a lot of shit about ret not taking skill, it's silly.

    It's every bit as if not more complex to make decisions on the fly with tons of your gcd's than to do traditional rotations, which take extremely little skill outside knowing when to use which rotation. It's also harder to avoid tunnel visioning when you need to be aware exactly what's coming up exactly when.

    I honestly won't be surprised at all if they move more classes in that direction in the future.
    The older rotations took much more skill in you had to manage your Swing Timer, Mana bar, Seal Twist if you where horde, and make a judgement call on when to use x ability if the GCD would overlap crusader strike.

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    Currently on rogue for PVP i'm running around 810resil and 3800ish AP as an RLS comp around 2100.

    Most 2200-2700 rogues are running almost identical to those stats, 800resil and 4k ap being benchmarks or beginning points.

    My team is stuck at 2070 cause the shaman and lock are getting shitty, and I'm having trouble finding a better team due to lack of good pvpers on my server. Which piece should I upgrade with my current 2k points.

    Using Furious Helm Shoulders Pants from last season, Deadly gloves (hoping for voa) and swapping between 239 thorim chest piece and deadly chest piece depending on what we are facing and how we are doing... Double furious daggers.

    Do I Upgrade my MH dagger now, since the boost in top end and dps is nice (not to mention it can be used for mutilate pve if im ever not combat, my combat gear is near BIS Uld.) Or do I grab the chest or gloves. Chest will take another week to get.

    Also, wtb a good server for PVP for either horde or ally, i Need to get my rogue outta here and onto higher rated teams and more winning bg's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglestrike View Post
    DK's two-handed weapon spec talents: Is it 4% to melee damage only, 4% to melee damage and direct attack abilities (weapon strikes, but not death coil/howling blast) or 4% to ALL damage?
    Like the tooltip says, it's all damage inflicted by said two handed weapon. Strikes and melee auto attacks fall under this talent. Death Coil, Howling Blast, Icy Touch and the like, however, do not.

    It might be a little ambiguous in it's wording, but keep in mind that a talent that only affects auto attacks usually states such (i.e. Necrosis).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokku View Post
    Like the tooltip says, it's all damage inflicted by said two handed weapon. Strikes and melee auto attacks fall under this talent. Death Coil, Howling Blast, Icy Touch and the like, however, do not.

    It might be a little ambiguous in it's wording, but keep in mind that a talent that only affects auto attacks usually states such (i.e. Necrosis).
    So how big of a deal does it end up being? I'm taking it on my blood dps spec for sure, obviously. But I'm making a frost tanking build. With it mostly being centered on AOE for quick heroics and two-handed spec not affecting frost fever, howling blast or DnD is it going to be that important for me? The two points there can be put either to max out Armor->AP talent or get the +crit talent, not sure which since I'm still working out the build.

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    Generally speaking if you're using a two hander to tank then two handed weapon spec. is a fairly vital talent for the additional threat you'll deal through more damage. You won't generate more through the crit talent or bladed armor.

    You can always play around with it either way. DW tanking is also an option nowadays, though you have to be very very careful about your weapon selection in order to generate enough threat. At least until 3.3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyiee View Post
    Currently on rogue for PVP i'm running around 810resil and 3800ish AP as an RLS comp around 2100.

    Most 2200-2700 rogues are running almost identical to those stats, 800resil and 4k ap being benchmarks or beginning points.

    My team is stuck at 2070 cause the shaman and lock are getting shitty, and I'm having trouble finding a better team due to lack of good pvpers on my server. Which piece should I upgrade with my current 2k points.

    Using Furious Helm Shoulders Pants from last season, Deadly gloves (hoping for voa) and swapping between 239 thorim chest piece and deadly chest piece depending on what we are facing and how we are doing... Double furious daggers.

    Do I Upgrade my MH dagger now, since the boost in top end and dps is nice (not to mention it can be used for mutilate pve if im ever not combat, my combat gear is near BIS Uld.) Or do I grab the chest or gloves. Chest will take another week to get.

    Also, wtb a good server for PVP for either horde or ally, i Need to get my rogue outta here and onto higher rated teams and more winning bg's.
    I'd go with the dagger first as its a straight dps and not stat based upgrade (most of the time that will win out), though you can make a decent argument for the gloves, as they seem to be a bigger upgrade. The chest at least you have a sort of nice PvE item to work with for the time being, so I would upgrade that last.

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    How can you keep track of what main/offspec someone listed themselves as for raids. Is there an addon or do you have to remember/write it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sb View Post
    I'd go with the dagger first as its a straight dps and not stat based upgrade (most of the time that will win out), though you can make a decent argument for the gloves, as they seem to be a bigger upgrade. The chest at least you have a sort of nice PvE item to work with for the time being, so I would upgrade that last.
    I ended up doing a VOA today and only rogue in there, relentless gloves dropped lol. So I immediately grabbed dagger for now.

    Now, it's time to find a better team, sick of being stuck at 2100 when I was glad in tbc and 2400 last season. Need to find a better server for pvp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglestrike View Post
    Ret can actually hurt things this expansion

    I think I'm going to dual spec my DK to tank, just to farm heroics because LFG channel all yesterday was "LF1M Tank <instance>" "LF tank <raid>" etc. I have a healer buddy I can get to heal me for some early gear and then I'll change my dual spec to be for PvP once I have enough gear. Anyway~ I'd like to see someone else's frost spec, I made my own but a bit unsure. I was going to focus on AOE threat for heroics mainly. http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...z,wpS3eO,10522 is my spec/glyph choices, anything I should change up?
    maybe put some more points into blood for more dps.
    this is the spec Ive been using since I went frost and I absolutely love it. altho atm I pretty much run with the blood-spec 24/7 which is more for boss-tankings

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    Does anyone know how to add in level 70 gear to rawr? I want to make a full level 70 gear set for shits and giggles but it would be so nice to plan it in rawr.

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    Should be a Burning Crusade filter in the gear options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglestrike View Post
    Ret can actually hurt things this expansion

    I think I'm going to dual spec my DK to tank, just to farm heroics because LFG channel all yesterday was "LF1M Tank <instance>" "LF tank <raid>" etc. I have a healer buddy I can get to heal me for some early gear and then I'll change my dual spec to be for PvP once I have enough gear. Anyway~ I'd like to see someone else's frost spec, I made my own but a bit unsure. I was going to focus on AOE threat for heroics mainly. http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...z,wpS3eO,10522 is my spec/glyph choices, anything I should change up?
    Hit my armory if you want to see my frost spec. I've had no issues with it. It's got great mitigation tools for things like kolo in VoA, and with unbreakable armor AND IBF and AMS i always have something to pop for meteor fists. Ony whelp adds, deathchill + howling blast glues all those fuckers on me instantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norellicus View Post
    Should be a Burning Crusade filter in the gear options.
    That didn't work, but I did figure it out eventually. Sadly I don't think its possible to tank in full level 70 gear because the defense cap is so high now.

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    what's the difference between onyxia10/25 head quest?

    do they give different ilvl reward?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarman View Post
    Hit my armory if you want to see my frost spec. I've had no issues with it. It's got great mitigation tools for things like kolo in VoA, and with unbreakable armor AND IBF and AMS i always have something to pop for meteor fists. Ony whelp adds, deathchill + howling blast glues all those fuckers on me instantly.
    The only thing I'd suggest is actually dropping Deathchill or Hungering Cold and putting that second point into Merciless Combat. Unless you do absolutely nothing but tank AoE trash, in which case I can see making a stronger point for Deathchill. Hungering Cold is pretty useless outside of Faction champs though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meph
    maybe put some more points into blood for more dps.
    this is the spec Ive been using since I went frost and I absolutely love it. altho atm I pretty much run with the blood-spec 24/7 which is more for boss-tankings
    Your frost spec is spot-on, although that blood spec you have confuses me.

    Quote Originally Posted by SamanosukeShiva
    what's the difference between onyxia10/25 head quest?

    do they give different ilvl reward?
    Nothing and no, same items from both difficulties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokku View Post
    Your frost spec is spot-on, although that blood spec you have confuses me.
    I shamelessly stole the spec from Suno in elitejerks and I havent really taken any time to finetune it. Any suggestions and comments are most welcome

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    What does RNG mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blarg View Post
    What does RNG mean?
    Random Number Generator.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meph
    I shamelessly stole the spec from Suno in elitejerks and I havent really taken any time to finetune it. Any suggestions and comments are most welcome
    Been a while since I've run a blood tanking spec, but I'd drop the points in Necrosis and Subversion and move them into Butchery/Spell Deflection/Virulence/MoB/Rune Tap, just depending on your playstyle.

    I'd move the Necrosis point to Rune tap and the Subversion points to whichever of the above talents you think fits your needs best. There's no one perfect answer.

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