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    That's why I'm saying, I'm literally attempting to come up with a basic strategy that I can direct him through, and the build to do it with.

    Unholy has fairly complex rune management with your frost runes going to death, it's not so easy as saying "make death runes and spam x," or "spam blah blah for rp and dump it constantly."


    I'm not looking for "if you want to compete for the top of the arena, you should be using x build for y reason."


    I'm just asking "Is there anything about this build I did majorly wrong or are my glyph choices dumb or anything?"

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    Unholy generates Blood runes into death, not frost.

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    see I don't even remember shit right >< that's why I'm asking for someone to look it over and make sure I didn't do anything retarded lol

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    Well see, that's just the thing. Unholy is just as easy as "x to generate death runes, spam y". Put up diseases, pest, blood strike, blood tap+chains, SS>SS>ERW>SS>SS>SS>etc. SS has the added benefit of ignoring armor at the moment being, so the odds that anyone is going to survive that burst with a DC here and there to keep UB up, rune striking when it's available, Gargoyle and a ghoul fucking with their healer is slim to none.

    The problem with suggesting a Blood spec is the fact that the talents that serve a defensive nature in the tree are all completely geared towards PvE, meaning talents like Spell Deflection, Will of the Necropolis and Blade Barrier function very poorly in PvP situations. If you're set on trying to run with that build though, drop a point in Annihilation and move it into black ice, since he shouldn't be using Oblit.

    Scent of Blood is beyond useless, a DK should never end up RP starved in arenas, especially not a blood DK. My whole point in the things I've said wasn't to say "If you want to get the gladiator title, do this", it's that blood is an ineffective arena spec, and that you'll have more success if he works at it and gets UH down. I'm not going to go back into explaining every little detail, but for someone that's been that highly ranked in arenas, surely you can see the benefit of abilities like On a Pale Horse, Bone Shield, Desecration and Unholy Command.

    To be honest I'm not really sure that Bloodworms hold any value in an arena spec either, Mark of Blood is iffy too. But to be honest, there's really nothing else to do with them unless you invest in Will, but even then it won't improve survivability much.

    There's only so much advice I can give on speccing into a tree that just isn't built for PvP.

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    Can anyone recommend a Frost spec for leveling/farming?

    Thinking of something along these lines but not so sure: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

    Also, any recommended Glyphs to use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wintermute View Post
    Can anyone recommend a Frost spec for leveling/farming?

    Thinking of something along these lines but not so sure: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

    Also, any recommended Glyphs to use?
    Here's what I used personally.

    Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

    If you don't AOE a lot then Glyph of Water Elemental will probably be better than Ice Barrier.

    Once you get Ice Lance (71 I think?) you shouldn't be using Fire Blast for your shatter combos anymore.

    Just a few tips aswell:

    Always keep a mana gem handy, they're really useful.
    When you get a Frostbite proc cast Frostbolt and immediately once it's finished casting (while Frostbolt is travelling) use Ice Lance, both casts will benefit from shatter.
    The same goes for Fingers of Frost, cast two frostbolts and after the second use Ice Lance for a ghost charge.
    Use Fireball over Ice Lance for both of the above if you get a Brain Freeze proc, otherwise just use it right away.
    The Cone of Cold points are filler really, spend them in whatever you'll benefit more from, I personally found Deep Freeze to be completely useless.

    Hope that helps.

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    If you're not AOE farming as frost, go arcane for 64+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglestrike View Post
    If you're not AOE farming as frost, go arcane for 64+.
    Tried it, didn't work as well. For quests where you have to kill a lot of mobs you will run out of mana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [Cookies] View Post
    Tried it, didn't work as well. For quests where you have to kill a lot of mobs you will run out of mana.
    How? Mobs die before AB stacks enough to be costly on mana...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglestrike View Post
    How? Mobs die before AB stacks enough to be costly on mana...
    They don't die that easily, you'll still be using 2~3 ABs with a Barrage/Missiles. Like I said, if you need to grind a lot of mobs (20+) and you're not pausing between each kill you will run out of mana. Heck, if I managed to run low on mana as Frost i'd love to know how you can manage it as Arcane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [Cookies] View Post
    They don't die that easily, you'll still be using 2~3 ABs with a Barrage/Missiles. Like I said, if you need to grind a lot of mobs (20+) and you're not pausing between each kill you will run out of mana. Heck, if I managed to run low on mana as Frost i'd love to know how you can manage it as Arcane.
    And the first two AB's cost less than 2 frostbolts to cast. And missiles are free to use now with the 40% chance to proc missile barrage. I haven't even had mana issues on my mage in instances unless I was purposely keeping 4 stacks up for a while and you cast a lot more in instances than solo.

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    Is my current setup (lol ring I know) and I have 2 trophies... Idk what to get, body/head body/shoulders head/shoulders.. I figured I'd just say fk it and get t9 4pc since I wont get t95 4pc. Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglestrike View Post
    And the first two AB's cost less than 2 frostbolts to cast. And missiles are free to use now with the 40% chance to proc missile barrage. I haven't even had mana issues on my mage in instances unless I was purposely keeping 4 stacks up for a while and you cast a lot more in instances than solo.
    What the fuck have instances got to do with soloing?

    AB1=7% mana.
    AB2=12% mana.
    AB3=21% mana.

    Frostbolt=9% mana roughly with talents.

    Oh and you get Replenishment. And free fireballs. And Ice lances which cost 5% base mana and do the same damage as Arcane Blast, if not more.

    I just got my mage to 80 a few days ago, I tried Arcane, it wasn't as good as Frost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricen View Post
    The World of Warcraft Armory

    Is my current setup (lol ring I know) and I have 2 trophies... Idk what to get, body/head body/shoulders head/shoulders.. I figured I'd just say fk it and get t9 4pc since I wont get t95 4pc. Any thoughts?
    if you have 2 trophies get the triumph chest and head straight away. also, start looking for a new ring lol. being over exp-cap gives you absolutely nothing (you shouldnt be infront of the mobs anyway)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meph View Post
    if you have 2 trophies get the triumph chest and head straight away. also, start looking for a new ring lol. being over exp-cap gives you absolutely nothing (you shouldnt be infront of the mobs anyway)
    Oh I know about the ring. I /CAN NOT/ get something to drop for me -_-... So stupid.

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    lol keep trying, Ive had the same problem with weapons. 1/20 on anub, 0/24 on thorim *sob*

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    What is thorim supposed to drop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricen View Post
    What is thorim supposed to drop?
    For enhance?

    Vulmir, the Northern Tempest - Item - World of Warcraft

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meph View Post
    lol keep trying, Ive had the same problem with weapons. 1/20 on anub, 0/24 on thorim *sob*
    weapons don't exist. EVER. except the keen edge obsidian blade from ony. we can't give that shit away now. Love sitting on 31 fucking expertise on dk because i can't move my other pieces. fucking XT hardmode needs to put out.

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    I've found that physical dps rings are banned from dropping in toc

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