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[Arcana]

I fucking hate this 'rotation'. KS> ES> AS> THEN BA > Serp > Steady. is the correct way.

I've always done more this way. The rotation of a boss.

I'm with you on that one, BA & SS is basically upto what? 9% bonus damage done with all shots, also theres a chance for BA to proc LnL on the first tic. problem is theres no real rotation to speak of, its more of a priority listing of shots, KS being highest damage & longer cd followed by explosive, serpent, black arrow & aimed.

[Thuronn]

I'm with you on that one, BA & SS is basically upto what? 9% bonus damage done with all shots, also theres a chance for BA to proc LnL on the first tic. problem is theres no real rotation to speak of, its more of a priority listing of shots, KS being highest damage & longer cd followed by explosive, serpent, black arrow & aimed.

No real rotation? What? Yes there is, you use the proper abilities in the right order (along with steady shot 1.5) creates a beastly hunter, to have almost no down time between abilities.

The only time I have to wait for my rotation, is when I get like 1.4ish steadys and I'm like a fraction off from getting Explosive off again by the time cooldown is back up.

[Falisa]

I haven't used survival in quite awhile now but I remember loving it when i respecced into it from BM at around lvl 72. I took about 70% of quest mob's life with one explosive shot. Let my pet tank for the first 30% and then throw on the explosive, dead mob.

[Norellicus]

I fucking hate this 'rotation'. KS> ES> AS> THEN BA > Serp > Steady. is the correct way.

I've always done more this way. The rotation of a boss.

Wat? No. BA always comes first to add LnL procs. Serpent Sting comes after it because it's a damned heavy chunk of your total damage.

Aimed and Steady are completely filler to be used when everything else is on standby.

[Thuronn]

Wat? No. BA always comes first to add LnL procs. Serpent Sting comes after it because it's a damned heavy chunk of your total damage.

Aimed and Steady are completely filler to be used when everything else is on standby.

To add the chance of getting a LnL proc. I'd rather do something that straights add to my damage before getting a slight % upgrade.

lol. You do what you wanna do, and I understand the reason people do this, but I'm gonna do whats always worked for me.

[Tricen]

Nevermind

[Rivero]

Is it a big deal if my main hand hits faster than my off-hand as a Fury Warrior? I got Citadel Enforcer's last night and I'm using Tyrannical as my off-hand so my speeds are at 3.40/3.50, I was just wondering how bad your DPS gets crippled going faster in your main hand.

[Aesctaa]

Is it a big deal if my main hand hits faster than my off-hand as a Fury Warrior? I got Citadel Enforcer's last night and I'm using Tyrannical as my off-hand so my speeds are at 3.40/3.50, I was just wondering how bad your DPS gets crippled going faster in your main hand.

You are fine, just keep highest white damage weapon in mainhand.

And to reply to a few pages ago, for Warrior, armor pen trinkets like NES Mjollnir and GT wont necessarily put arp above 1 SEP value at the arp softcap(it might by a fraction, depends on your other gear). but it will increase the dps you gain per SEP point substantially over gemming pure STR, so your dps will scale better with subsequent attack power increases(better gear, trueshot aura, horn of winter.. etcetc).

[Plow]

To add the chance of getting a LnL proc. I'd rather do something that straights add to my damage before getting a slight % upgrade.

lol. You do what you wanna do, and I understand the reason people do this, but I'm gonna do whats always worked for me.

WoW is constantly evolving, you might be "successful" doing whatever, but don't tell yourself it's the best thing to do when it's not.

I don't know anything about the discussion you guys are having, just pointing out that's a really bad attitude.

[Norellicus]

To add the chance of getting a LnL proc. I'd rather do something that straights add to my damage before getting a slight % upgrade.

lol. You do what you wanna do, and I understand the reason people do this, but I'm gonna do whats always worked for me.

Do what you want, but try looking at a WWS sometime. ExS is the hardest hitting ability that Survival has, and anything you can do to increase its frequency is to your greatest benefit, especially when you're going to be using the abilities that give you the effect anyway.

I'll give you a hint though, Hunter is not the class you want to be playing if you get off on seeing a single giant number pop up on your screen, as you seem to be giving the impression of. We have Arcane Mages for that.

[seph32]

Right now gearing up tanking stuff for my DK. So about def rating... I heard 540 is the softcap is there a point going over 540 def rating? Thanks. Also what about dodge rating?

[Norellicus]

Right now gearing up tanking stuff for my DK. So about def rating... I heard 540 is the softcap is there a point going over 540 def rating? Thanks. Also what about dodge rating?

There's not a need to go over 540 defense (not rating! The rating needed to reach 540 defense is something like 689), but the extra points are still useful, as they continue to add miss/dodge/parry even beyond the 540 crit immunity. So don't go ignoring a piece of tanking gear just because it has extra; odds are you're just as likely to replace something later that will drop it back in line anyway, and the tanking gear will continue adding other stats anyway (extra stamina and other avoidance methods).

Dodge rating is probably your most useful rating-based tank stat after getting to 540 defense, since it's the cheapest budgeted one and the one that converts to the most avoidance per point. You still spend most of your time getting more armor and health, but dodge is good to have and often comes generously on your tank gear (accessories/jewelry, especially).

[Thuronn]

Do what you want, but try looking at a WWS sometime. ExS is the hardest hitting ability that Survival has, and anything you can do to increase its frequency is to your greatest benefit, especially when you're going to be using the abilities that give you the effect anyway.

I'll give you a hint though, Hunter is not the class you want to be playing if you get off on seeing a single giant number pop up on your screen, as you seem to be giving the impression of. We have Arcane Mages for that.

So for you it's always ES > BA > Serp > then aimed and steady then?

I'm a paradigm shifter in the thoughts of the current SV hunter.

LnL has a 6% chance to proc each time BA ticks correct? So you're saying that in the 1/2 seconds that I do ES > Aimed > BA > Serp> Steady. I lose all my chances at getting a Lnl? Actually I see it differently in that I'll have a good LnL proc w/ BA and Serp still up, and I can throw down ES > aimed > ES > steady combo.

I've done that rotation, it didn't work for me. I know what kind of number I pull now and what I pulled when I was told what do as a hunter.

[Jodwahh]

You acting like firing black arrow isn't doing anything apart from the lnl proc, just on it's own for base damage it does almost twice the damage of a non-critted aimed shot.

edit: Why would you want to keep the only ranged trigger for by far a hunters most damageing ability on CD behind anything except the most damageing ability itself. Black also gives a 6% flat damage increase to anything you do to a mob. Sorry chap I just don't get your logic on this one.

[Norellicus]

So for you it's always ES > BA > Serp > then aimed and steady then?

I'm a paradigm shifter in the thoughts of the current SV hunter.

LnL has a 6% chance to proc each time BA ticks correct? So you're saying that in the 1/2 seconds that I do ES > Aimed > BA > Serp> Steady. I lose all my chances at getting a Lnl? Actually I see it differently in that I'll have a good LnL proc w/ BA and Serp still up, and I can throw down ES > aimed > ES > steady combo.

I've done that rotation, it didn't work for me. I know what kind of number I pull now and what I pulled when I was told what do as a hunter.

No, I'm saying the longer you spend with BA down, the more you're going to cause clipping issues with your natural ExS cooldown.

I'm not really trying to argue against you, I'm just pointing out that your logic flies in the face of the mathematics of it. The only real explanation I have for performing better doing it backwards would be if you were clipping your Explosive ticks, but since I don't see how you play I can't make that call.

I've long since stopped wasting my energy trying to sway people's opinions of how to play. Most don't care, and some refuse to be told what to do. The ones that do care usually know what works anyway, so any argument I could make is either moot or is already falling on deaf ears. I point out what I know and move on, whatever they do with the information is not my concern. I'll be over here doing what I do, satisfied with the fact that I'm doing my job and the boss is dying.

[Zeh]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...nk&cn=Glitcher

worth reviving this late into wotlk?
or should I start anew

thinking the latter because fizzcrank sucks dick

[Bardlet]

I saw this yesterday and wanted to cry. Moonkin's rotation is really *so hard* that you need an add on a la BadKitty to tell you what to cast next? Seriously?! A piece of me died inside.

http://www.wowinterface.com/download...wlAdviser.html

How does it work?
The addon distinguishes 5 segments in a moonkin rotation, and shows the icon of the spell with higher priority in that segment and that won't be on CD when you end your current action (casting or GCD) . If it's Innervate, will obviously check player's mana.
The segments are:

1. Solar Eclipse
2. Lunar Eclipse
3. Solar Eclipse CD
4. Lunar Eclipse CD
5. No Eclipse

And the spells supported are :

• Faerie Fire
• Insec Swarm
• Moonfire
• Starfire
• Wrath
• Innervate
• Starfall
• Force of Nature

Each spell's priority in each segment can be changed ingame by slash commands, as well is Innervate's mana return (If you wanto to wait a little longer).

[Correction]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...nk&cn=Glitcher

worth reviving this late into wotlk?
or should I start anew

thinking the latter because fizzcrank sucks dick

No reason to start over if there are successful PUG groups through ToC25, and ICC heroics should help you get rid of the rest of your 200-213 gear (except the cloak, if drop rates are anything like I've seen in the past).

If Fizzcrank doesn't regularly run successful pugs through ToC25 or ICC10 it'd be faster to pay for the server/faction change than roll fresh on a high pop server.

[Thuronn]

No, I'm saying the longer you spend with BA down, the more you're going to cause clipping issues with your natural ExS cooldown.

I'm not really trying to argue against you, I'm just pointing out that your logic flies in the face of the mathematics of it. The only real explanation I have for performing better doing it backwards would be if you were clipping your Explosive ticks, but since I don't see how you play I can't make that call.

I've long since stopped wasting my energy trying to sway people's opinions of how to play. Most don't care, and some refuse to be told what to do. The ones that do care usually know what works anyway, so any argument I could make is either moot or is already falling on deaf ears. I point out what I know and move on, whatever they do with the information is not my concern. I'll be over here doing what I do, satisfied with the fact that I'm doing my job and the boss is dying.

Here's what I'm trying to get across though, the only time in which I don't have BA/Serp on, is maybe 1/2 seconds every so often. But if It's down I'm usually hit ES> BA > Serp because Aimed is usually on CD. I've been sitting here in front of the training dummy for a little while now. I've only had a few times where the recommended rotation won, and only slightly about 100-150ish more average. That was because of incredibly lucky Lnl procs.

The way my current rotation works out to about 4800-5000 dps on training dummy, on a full mana burst w/ CD and mana pots. My average for the usual rotation has been 4400-4600. Maybe this is because of my build, and with slight adjustments i'd see the normal build shine more.

I've tried the old build when I got my characer to 80. I wanted to know how to play my character efficently. I found that this build works for me, I'm always top 4 dps for everything I do, it's bronzebeard so that isn't saying much I guess...lol.

[Zeh]

@Correction

The server was in the shitter when I stopped playing. All Alliance guilds broke up, transferred, or faction changed, and I'm not really in the mood for BS. Really wish I could just start a game fresh right now and stick with it for a while; FFXIV can't come quick enough.