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[Alyclakshmi]

wrong thread

[Aesctaa]

I know this is a few pages late, but some people were asking about tank DPS in 5mans, this was from a H-HoL last night on prot warrior, Jhun is my character.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w...H-HoL-prot.jpg

Loken DPS was 6k, trash dps was jumping from 5k to 20k, damage shield ticks really hurts the overall. the pally was ICC25 geared ret, lock and dk were worthless scrubs.

My prot talents are actually still outdated, but the overall priority you want to follow is; Cleave(or H strike on bosses/single target) constantly, then for your globals you want Shockwave > Thunderclap > Shield slam(only when shield block is up) = Devastate (when shield block is down) > Revenge(only if you dont have enough rage for anything else). Use concussive blow like a defensive cooldown on sub bosses e.g. watcher narjil(fuck that blinding webs).

I used full DPS set(mix of 251s, 264s, 90% passive armor pen, although i do have a 100% set for prot that i haven't tested yet), +50 str pot, battle shout, and had kings, horn of winter, mark of the wild, so nothing special in ways of buffs.

The healer was excellent, i was able to pull 3 packs + a boss at a time, but i have done this countless times with far less geared healers, and still managed to chainpull several packs. the overall damage taken isn't high at all, its still lower than my 232/245 dk in his full tank set. I'm almost certain you could do this fairly easily in Uld10 hards/ToC10 too and get away with it, ToGC/ICC would be a no-go.

I'm sure paladins or heroic ICC25 geared warriors could easily beat those kind of numbers as prot, but I'm just showing what can be done without sacrificing much survivability at all, as a tanking class that has long been slated for having the lowest dps. obv. you can tank heroics as fury or ret and rape the place but don't expect to pull 4 trash packs at once and get away with it with some pug healer.

[Onorgul]

Can you link your set? My Prot Warrior actually doesn't do too terribly in terms of DPS in pure tanking gear, but I'm not sure how much I trust the average PUG healer who gets overwhelmed when I pull two packs at once (in fairness, part of it is the people who start DPSing before I get a fucking Thunderclap off) to really care when I only use my Warrior for a daily Heroic.

[Aesctaa]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...maggus&cn=Jhun

exactly the same as my fury set except: 1hand dps mace from festergut with beserking on it, endless winter shield from 10 gunship with shield spike, and njorndar bone bow from deathwhisperer. I'm a bit down on hit/expertise as prot but i really haven't been bothered enough to gap the defosit just for the sake of heroics.

[Correction]

Anybody know off the top of their heads why Deathbringer's Will is a -65dps downgrade in my mutilate gear but a 75dps upgrade in my combat gear? There something about ArPen that's not so great for Mutilate besides the fact that more of Mut's damage comes from poisons? Why is the gap so big.

btw usually sporting Skull/War Token on both specs, and no matter which gets replaced with DW I see my mut numbers dip on the spreadsheet.

[Norellicus]

Isn't poisons and Envenom ap modified? If so that's your answer I'd think, those are two very AP heavy trinkets.

[Correction]

Isn't poisons and Envenom ap modified? If so that's your answer I'd think, those are two very AP heavy trinkets.

Yeah that makes sense.

[Siniroth]

They are both AP modified that is correct, ArP is actually pretty terrible for mut, the fact that most of your damage is poisons/envenom is actually a bigger deal than you'd expect

[Knyghtmayre]

Deathbringer's Will isn't as good as Whispering Fanged Skull for Mut because ArP does not affect Poisons afaik, since they are classed as nature spell damage, and Instant Poison alone amounts for roughly a third of your damage as Mutilate. As far as I know, IP does not scale with AP anymore and Envenom is basically a nonfactor as far as AP scaling is concerned since the main point of Envenom is the debuff and not the damage of the ability.

That's my take on it anyway.

The way I currently value my Mutilate itemization is: Haste>AP>Hit>Crit>Agility>ArP, assuming of course that I'm already hit capped.

[Siniroth]

It does scale with AP still, just less than it used to, the coefficient got lowered, your itemization ratings are perfect

[Correction]

Okay my warlock needs serious help and e-j doesn't have usable tools. Going back to afflic now that I see most upgrades just add spirit while juggling spirit/hit/haste, but I don't know if getting 4pc t9 is worth it. I currently have t8.226 head/chest and t9.232 hands/legs and 110 triumph, so it's iffy that completing the set is worth it. Are the offset 245 cloth head/shoulders + dropping the mats on merlin's robe a better idea than dropping most of my triumph on t9.232 chest/helm for an Affliction warlock?

[Eaglestrike]

Okay my warlock needs serious help and e-j doesn't have usable tools. Going back to afflic now that I see most upgrades just add spirit while juggling spirit/hit/haste, but I don't know if getting 4pc t9 is worth it. I currently have t8.226 head/chest and t9.232 hands/legs and 110 triumph, so it's iffy that completing the set is worth it. Are the offset 245 cloth head/shoulders + dropping the mats on merlin's robe a better idea than dropping most of my triumph on t9.232 chest/helm for an Affliction warlock?

4pc t9 is excellent. Corruption and UA amount to 55-65% of your damage, so 10% more damage to them is 5-6% more damage.

Also the latest for warlocks, at least affliction is this:

Hit until cap, haste is worth like 1.2SP, crit is worth 0.7ish SP, spirit is 0.5 SP.

Spirit used to have the added bonus of increasing life tap mana regen, but they made Dark Pact work with the Life tap glyph and dark pact also scales better than life tap, making that the spell to choose, so spirit is now only 0.5 spellpower and nothing more.

Get the nevermelting ice crystal as it's OP/glitchy/hax for affliction. If you don't know why it's because the crit of corruption is never "reset" when it's refreshed, it has the same crit % as when you first cast it. So get improved shadow bolt on the mob and hit NMIC to give your corruption 20% more crit than it normally should have for an entire fight.

If you need rotation advice or whatever else let me know, warlock is pretty much my top alt, competing with my disc, and the toon I know best aside from my main.

[Siniroth]

Hit until cap, haste is worth like 1.2SP, crit is worth 0.7ish SP, spirit is 0.5 SP.

Haste only starts pulling above SP per point at about 3k SP, keep that in mind too

[Eversor]

Anyone want to take a look at my Fury warrior now and see if they can come up with any decent non 10/25 upgrades? Gungrir on Elune server. Cant post an armory or wow-heroes url since both are blocked at work.

I have been trying for a Needle Encrusted Scorpion to replace that Berserker trinket, and next emblem purchase will be a MoS to replace the blue. The feet I have been trying ToC and HoR but of all the HoR runs I have done, only one of them didnt turn out fail and fall apart. I cant really do 10/25 content as I cant commit to a guild to doing it all the time and have no desire to PuG them.

Also, should I switch from STR to ArP on my gems?

[solsirt]

Haste only starts pulling above SP per point at about 3k SP, keep that in mind too

Simcraft shows SP > Haste for me even with 3.3k SP. Although it's SP = 1.002 Haste... so pretty much even.

Point being for someone in t9 4pc~ gear... stick with hit cap > SP>haste >>> spirit>crit

[Siniroth]

Is that raid buffed? I meant unbuffed, I guess I should have clarified.

Either way, yes, no one's going to fault you for that order at all (except the ridiculously elitist, but generally they won't know if you even have an available piece of gear worth 0.2 SP more overall anyway)

[Acturus]

Does anyone here use Healbot? I know, Grid+Clique=win, but I'm not changing my UI until I get a new laptop that will support more stuffs.

Apparently I got a whisper from a PUG mage in my heroic last night that said I had cast rank 4 PW: Shield (max is 14, I think) on him.

Does healbot automatically downgrade spells, or do I need to figure some sort of configuration?

I noticed that over the last couple of days, I was a lot less mana efficient and my tanks seemed to be constantly in less health than I'm used to.

I did the Google thing, but most of the results I sifted through was on the merit of downgrading spells, not necessarily whether or not it happens without my intent.

[rithridan]

I have a UI related question, recently I tried to change my current UI with another one. I made a backup from my WTF and Addons folder. In the end the UI I tried out didn't really work out for my resolution (apparently kgPanels doesn't use %'s but hard values) and I restored my old UI. The point is that for some reason certain settings I had on my old UI that shouldve been backed up get overwrited by the values from the other UI I tried. Apparently almost all my binding/config files in my WTF folders were empty (also the backup ones).

Anyhow I got most of it back the way it should except for 1 specific thing:

All my buttons I dragged on my actionbar (bt4) only show a tooltip with the name of the spell and the rank. It used to also show the spell details (like how it shows in the spell book) and theres no way I found to restore it back to show the details again.

[Onorgul]

Does anyone here use Healbot? I know, Grid+Clique=win, but I'm not changing my UI until I get a new laptop that will support more stuffs.

I've never run into Healbot automatically down-ranking anything, but it might pay to double-check that all of your keybinds are up-to-date.

That said, I highly recommend that you get rid of Healbot. I was using it for a while and eventually found that it is a massive drain on system resources. It is a bloated nightmare. It takes a couple hours to get set up the way you want it, but Grid has practically no presence in terms of resource draw and can be set up to work as well or better than Healbot. I was resistant to making the change until I saw what a huge improvement it was.

[Acturus]

I've never run into Healbot automatically down-ranking anything, but it might pay to double-check that all of your keybinds are up-to-date.

That said, I highly recommend that you get rid of Healbot. I was using it for a while and eventually found that it is a massive drain on system resources. It is a bloated nightmare. It takes a couple hours to get set up the way you want it, but Grid has practically no presence in terms of resource draw and can be set up to work as well or better than Healbot. I was resistant to making the change until I saw what a huge improvement it was.

I had originally started with a dummy's guide to Grid+Click for healing when I first hit 80, but it seemed very over my head. A guildie had suggested Healbot simply for the ease of setting it up (which it was easier to set up than Grid+Click).

I've heard the resource drain complaint from elsewhere, as well as the "healbot doesn't give me anything more than X alternative" but I'm a slave to constancy. It works, why change? My laptop is a 2006 era Dell that already loads so slow that healbot is barely a speed bump. It hasn't stopped me from raiding in 10 man stuff, I just turn my graphics way way down.

My intention is to re-do my entire UI when I have a machine that will use it, and that should be later this year when I buy a laptop to use with my Masters classes. But for now, it was just weird that the PUG mage told me I was using a severely down ranked spell.