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[D44kpunk]

So for Ret Paladins that have done some raiding in 4.0, has anyone tried out macroing rebuke to every single ability? I heard on EJ if you do that it will proc a seal everytime you use rebuke. Also reforging, turn everything into crit right?

Did this get answered? Haste until a 3s CS CD is what you reforge and then crit obviously with respect to expertise/hit caps. I haven't tried macroing rebuke to every ability i've heard mixed tings about it procing a seal

[Falaras]

Did this get answered? Haste until a 3s CS CD is what you reforge and then crit obviously with respect to expertise/hit caps. I haven't tried macroing rebuke to every ability i've heard mixed tings about it procing a seal

It wasn't answered but I dug around EJ for a while and figured it out. Problem is getting that much haste seems like a bitch.

[Metta]

Affliction lock shadowbolt or drain life for filler spell? During a totc10 run i was doing pretty equal dammage with both but i really cant say what one is better at the moment.

Drain Soul is insane btw.

[schlomo]

So for me on my mage, frostfirebolt >>>>>> fireball with glyph of frostfire. so i dont even use fireball anymore lol, also should i reforge crit to mastery? or keep a high crit %?

[rithridan]

Hmm, I should look into reforging. Especially since I have a couple of good items with spirit in them which I don't want to replace/downgrade (like Frozen Bonespike 277 into Rigormortis 264).

Not sure what I was doing differently from all you mages but I ran out of MP in roughly 2 minutes on a lv80 dummy as fire (eyeballed). Impact seems like a nice addition but I haven't gotten a good feel for its timing yet same for the reworked Combustion. Also I went for the Blastwave+Imp.Flamestrike to see how that worked but am unsure whether I need to Flamestrike the area before doing Blastwave or if Blastwave flamestrikes the area if it hits 2 or more targets. Other then that its kinda dissapointing how much the mage has stayed the same.

Tonight is raid night so I'm wondering how that will go, lol

[Falaras]

So for me on my mage, frostfirebolt >>>>>> fireball with glyph of frostfire. so i dont even use fireball anymore lol, also should i reforge crit to mastery? or keep a high crit %?

What spec are you using to get FFB > FB?

Edit: I did some playing around and going from FB to FFB I lost around 2k DPS give or take. EJ also references fireball as being the better nuke. I'm just really stumped on Reforging and Gems at the moment since there is almost no info on it.

[Ishido]

What happened to feral? I only just got to patch late last night, didn't get a chance to get on and play with it.

My feral in beta seemed ok...

Slow on responding to this, but the change of SR to white damage only plus the removal of feral attack power in favor of weapon damage based attacks along with the removal of ArP has nerfed mangle, shred and FB down do about ~40% of the damage they were doing before. The coefficients of rip and rake were drastically increased but with the AP loss the results are a wash at best. The overall result is a 30-50% DPS loss, and being all but useless on anything that requires a lot of target changing or things that die fast.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...91403280&sid=1

^ This has a pretty good compilation of the feral DPS problems.

[Siniroth]

Affliction lock shadowbolt or drain life for filler spell? During a totc10 run i was doing pretty equal dammage with both but i really cant say what one is better at the moment.

Drain Soul is insane btw.

Soul Burn Drain Life > Shadow Bolt > Drain Life, I think is how it goes now

[Norellicus]

Slow on responding to this, but the change of SR to white damage only plus the removal of feral attack power in favor of weapon damage based attacks along with the removal of ArP has nerfed mangle, shred and FB down do about ~40% of the damage they were doing before. The coefficients of rip and rake were drastically increased but with the AP loss the results are a wash at best. The overall result is a 30-50% DPS loss, and being all but useless on anything that requires a lot of target changing or things that die fast.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...91403280&sid=1

^ This has a pretty good compilation of the feral DPS problems.

So wait, do our attacks actually USE the weapon's damage value now or is the FAP an oversight? Because cat has always had its own "weapon damage" that just gets up to where it needs to be via the AP...

[Wintermute]

There any Auction addons that let you batch-post stuff? Auctioneer is fucked and I can't stand to manually post 50 or so stacks of Ore.

[The Stig]

As anticipated my guild's Warrior and Paladin tank are having severe AoE/tanking (threat) issues, whereas I'm holding my own fine. First dungeon to test DK tanking in? Heroic HoR! Worked brilliantly. I don't know but I'm fine with my changes since the playstyle hasn't really change.

A minor niggle with Death and Decay being 30s only, but I am now wondering if the Warrior/Paladin tanks who haven't tanked as DK before are now feeling the "pressure" what DK tanking feels like pre-patch? Just a thought. I know they mentioned somewhere they want to make tanking to be a bit more difficult for the other 3 classes. And I've expressed several times prepatch that Paladin tanking was stupidly laid back/easy.

Can any tanks supply me their feedback? RL warrior friend tank says he can't hold threat for shit, and is completely rage starved.

[Norellicus]

Bears I know say they've got full rage bars just from hitting dummies and following a logical "rotation" for their abilities (keeping all appropriate debuffs up, using mangle on cd for threat, etc); granted I know bear != warrior on an exact 1:1 scale but they have the same rage generation as far as I'm aware, so if warriors are complaining about rage starvation they probably need to reexamine their process.

The core mechanic of each tanking class has changed and you can no longer spam certain (or really, any) abilities. AOE threat is also meant to be weak; just enough to keep threat off the healer, but anything resembling a mass offensive is likely to be too much. Even though existing instances don't mechanically require CC people are going to have to get used to the idea that they can't just blaze down a pack of 8 in icecrown with Blizzard/Rain of Fire spam anymore. Focus targets, switch targets, win. Tank will be able to hold things just fine and you won't really kill that much slower I don't think, since the classes that have serious problems with target switching also typically don't have super strong aoe.

Furthermore, if aoe is their only metric and the way they look at their tanking prowess then they need to quit now. Never was and never will be an indicator of a capable tank.

[RKenshin]

Can any tanks supply me their feedback? RL warrior friend tank says he can't hold threat for shit, and is completely rage starved.

- Reforge the highest stat on every piece of gear to Mastery.
- Shield specialization should be maxed.
- Find a slow 1h weapon.
- Use glyph of cleave.

Above is basically your best bet for generating higher threat, as well as improving avoidance. Can almost get to unhittable levels of avoidance again through mastery.

[Wintermute]

How useful is the 350 Spell power from the 2-Piece Kirin Tor set proc now?

I have enough JP to get the Bloodmage Shoulders and Legs along with the Meteor Casters Rainment from the Frost vendor which are all straight improvements stat-wise on what I currently have but I'd lose the 2-Piece bonus from Body+Hands.
Wondering if the Stats alone from the upgrades plus the Haste from the 2-Piece Bloodmage will make up for the loss of the 350SP proc.

[Tajin]

I havent tank as bear yet but DK and warrior (warrior is only 70 tho) both were working fine for me, paladin sucked single and AoE.

[Falaras]

As anticipated my guild's Warrior and Paladin tank are having severe AoE/tanking (threat) issues, whereas I'm holding my own fine. First dungeon to test DK tanking in? Heroic HoR! Worked brilliantly. I don't know but I'm fine with my changes since the playstyle hasn't really change.

A minor niggle with Death and Decay being 30s only, but I am now wondering if the Warrior/Paladin tanks who haven't tanked as DK before are now feeling the "pressure" what DK tanking feels like pre-patch? Just a thought. I know they mentioned somewhere they want to make tanking to be a bit more difficult for the other 3 classes. And I've expressed several times prepatch that Paladin tanking was stupidly laid back/easy.

Can any tanks supply me their feedback? RL warrior friend tank says he can't hold threat for shit, and is completely rage starved.

I was having quite a bit of trouble on Paladin. Friend says that with full reforged mastery its like having a cooldown up every time holy shield procs but I didn't try that. Consecration just seems worthless now, even as prot. SOTR is nuts for single target though, 3 Holy power was doing 17k+ in five mans (that's more than templars verdict....). Overall I felt my AoE TPS was just complete shit and our only snap threat was holy wrath.

[The Stig]

Yeh aoe threat is really bad. I queued as DPS instead last night for heroic and had a Paladin tank. Ended up in HoL, and after the first boss where you have to run through those Slag mobs to the stairs? We wiped there. Tank gathered them up, I "sneezed" on all the Slags (Howling Blast) thinking it'll be harmless, but they all came for me (I was hanging on top of the stairs with the other 2 DPS and healer) and then by then the other DPS were raining hell on them too. They blew up and we wiped, haha.

Thanks RK ... what do you play as? I'm curious. Are you Shadowmourne equipped? XD -- nothing in your blog about it.

Also--

Looks like misunderstanding the notes was the best thing I ever did.

Spent all my JP on shinies for tank, now I think I got every frost emblem gear I needed, and had about 10000 left over. I dumped them ALL into Ametrines (110 JP) and undercutted the shit out of the auction house by a few 10 gold. I checked my armory this morning and found my mailbox to be full with some more to sell, and other bits. I should have about 10k gold waiting for me. I saved about 3k JP for myself to get Stamina gems for my new gear.

Working the conversions/maths, 2 JP = slightly less than 1 gold, but we'll round up to be simple. Therefore, 110 JP = 55 gold? -- initially I hoarded triumphs by spamming heroics but didn't consider selling gems as I thought they sold slow. So I thought the patch will convert them all gold for me after the 4k JP cap, which doesn't actually take effect until a further patch.

So now I managed to move all my JP very fast before people "catch on" into gems and sold them all very fast for 120g (AH @ 140g) a piece. (Prices were 200g the night before but I didn't get on much, but a friend told me).

And due to inspect being more or less broken, I was able to get away with not gemming, haha XD -- I felt too cheap, waiting for my pocket JC to come on to get my staminas cut.

[Falaras]

This is actually really annoying, I sat around in an ICC25 PUG forming up for over 3 hours and they never managed to get a single tank. I guess Paladins/Warriors just don't want to even try till some fixes come around and Druid/DK tanks are so rare. I really am starting to hate this patch honestly, I actually had trouble soloing ZG earlier today on my Paladin because they remove every single form of healing outside of Holy Power. It took me like 10 minutes to kill the Raptor Boss as Prot (And I died once as Ret) and the Tiger boss is a god damn nightmare compared to what it used to be as Ret with Seal of Cleave. It's pretty sad that a patch intended to make paladins stronger makes me feel weaker than a level 70 Paladin.

And I would assume Ruke is a warrior if hes talking about cleave and shields.

[Metta]

Soul Burn Drain Life > Shadow Bolt > Drain Life, I think is how it goes now

I would agree but using soul burn on anything but soul fire seems like kind of a waste no?

[Correction]

I would agree but using soul burn on anything but soul fire seems like kind of a waste no?

We're still talking about affliction, right? The tree with +shadow damage mastery and no +fire damage talents?