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[Falaras]

I love PvP servers, it makes dailies fun because you end up fighting wherever you go. Sure it can be frustrating if you want to just get your daily done and get out but don't roll on a PvP server if you don't want to PvP. While leveling I got in to tons of fights on all of my characters so I don't know maybe you just have had bad experiences. Even leveling my Rogue on Ursin which was the lowest of the low pop servers I got in to more PvP situations than I can count, not counting 80s ganking.

[aurik]

I'm on a very high pop pvp server. As I mentioned, over the course of the last 64 levels, only 2 relatively close encounters--and this is a point in time where a lot of people are leveling.

Generally, people don't like to pick fights where they aren't heavily favored to win. "Enjoying world pvp" is usually code for picking on people who don't stand a chance. Case in point, I was very rarely bothered on my druid while I was doing my lv 80 dailies, probably because people don't like picking fights they can't win, and a fully pvp-geared resto druid was, for most classes, an unwinnable fight. A few people did, and a small fraction of them were successful, but most people didn't even try, and I was content to farm side by side (like resto druid could kill anything anyway; in the 20 minutes it would take me to kill them surely they'd escape or call in friends)

[The Stig]

Ah so it's not as blood thirsty as I thought it would be.

Does this mean people run around in PvP gear full time? (if in danger of getting into fights)

[aurik]

At 80 I did when not doing instances/raids. No sense not to, PvE gear doesn't increase killing speed on normal monsters that much.

[Krye]

My PVE gear stays in my bags unless I'm in a raid

[Plow]

I'm on a very high pop pvp server. As I mentioned, over the course of the last 64 levels, only 2 relatively close encounters--and this is a point in time where a lot of people are leveling.

Generally, people don't like to pick fights where they aren't heavily favored to win. "Enjoying world pvp" is usually code for picking on people who don't stand a chance. Case in point, I was very rarely bothered on my druid while I was doing my lv 80 dailies, probably because people don't like picking fights they can't win, and a fully pvp-geared resto druid was, for most classes, an unwinnable fight. A few people did, and a small fraction of them were successful, but most people didn't even try, and I was content to farm side by side (like resto druid could kill anything anyway; in the 20 minutes it would take me to kill them surely they'd escape or call in friends)

I'm on blackrock where the horde are pretty much free to gank at will because they'll always have help nearby, and alliance generally won't.

I rarely ever get fucked with doing dailies and stuff, there's even times I'll be soloing elites and parties will come up and just wait for me to finish rather than jump me.

That's, of course, as a decked out prot pally.

Friend of mine that has old school rank 14 transferred her hunter over, lasted about 2 weeks before she left because attempting to do any dailies resulted in outnumbered gangbangs non-stop.

[The Stig]

Thanks for clarifying, it's nice to read about your experiences on a PvP server.

If I get time later on I might make a char and see if I can hopefully play with you guys if not on a raiding level at least on a social/random dungeon level :> ... on a PvP server!

One other question, any recommend "Rogue" hub websites/forums? For example I visit Pwnwear which is primarily a DK tanking website. I've not looked on elitist jerks yet for their stickies.

[Boyiee]

I've always played on PVP servers. I rarely run into problems leveling, no one really camps you anymore or anything. The only other inconvenience would be dailies. Sometimes there are a lot of the other faction doing them, and if you are alone, you might die once or twice. Not really a big deal usually.

It's always fun to kill people afking outside a raid instance, or people zoning in and out of one. Once in a while you will afk your character somewhere, only to come back to your computer as a ghost. Sometimes its fun, sometimes its tedious, but it isn't nonstop if thats what you are worried about.Very often people 5-70 levels higher than my alts will run right by me, no problems, sometimes wave. Other times, I'll get attacked while killing quest mobs.

Sometimes official wow forums are ok for some class discussion/stickies/specs/rotations/etc, but I prefer MMOchampion class forums for when I'm leveling characters and to get a baseline of info.

[Falaras]

I'm on a very high pop pvp server. As I mentioned, over the course of the last 64 levels, only 2 relatively close encounters--and this is a point in time where a lot of people are leveling.

Generally, people don't like to pick fights where they aren't heavily favored to win. "Enjoying world pvp" is usually code for picking on people who don't stand a chance. Case in point, I was very rarely bothered on my druid while I was doing my lv 80 dailies, probably because people don't like picking fights they can't win, and a fully pvp-geared resto druid was, for most classes, an unwinnable fight. A few people did, and a small fraction of them were successful, but most people didn't even try, and I was content to farm side by side (like resto druid could kill anything anyway; in the 20 minutes it would take me to kill them surely they'd escape or call in friends)

I sure as hell wouldn't attack a Resto Druid, it has nothing to do with if I will win or not and everything to do with how long it would take to kill them. I have noticed that I literally haven't seen an alliance while leveling my Druid so far (only 35), so maybe blizzard intentionally mapped questing out to make PvP less prevalent. I've leveled 2 characters on Mid pop, 2 characters on low pop, and now play on a high pop all PvP servers and no matter what always got into a LOT of PvP leveling up.

It's always fun to kill people afking outside a raid instance, or people zoning in and out of one. Once in a while you will afk your character somewhere, only to come back to your computer as a ghost. Sometimes its fun, sometimes its tedious, but it isn't nonstop if thats what you are worried about.Very often people 5-70 levels higher than my alts will run right by me, no problems, sometimes wave. Other times, I'll get attacked while killing quest mobs.

Ganking whole guilds that are trying to get into ICC is so entertaining.

[aurik]

I sure as hell wouldn't attack a Resto Druid, it has nothing to do with if I will win or not and everything to do with how long it would take to kill them.

My point exactly, you don't pick fights that you don't anticipate you can win. That's pretty normal.

Spending 5 minutes killing a resto druid is not a "win", it's a failure on the part of the druid to reset/escape. We have so many tools to escape, especially if we're in a flyable zone.

[Correction]

Thanks for clarifying, it's nice to read about your experiences on a PvP server.

If I get time later on I might make a char and see if I can hopefully play with you guys if not on a raiding level at least on a social/random dungeon level :> ... on a PvP server!

One other question, any recommend "Rogue" hub websites/forums? For example I visit Pwnwear which is primarily a DK tanking website. I've not looked on elitist jerks yet for their stickies.

Elitist Jerks is for endgame shit focused on the right answer for everything on the bleeding edge of content. If you just want charts and no discussion, try shadowpanther.net

[Vandole]

whats other ways to get justice points for heroics? i just hit 80 on a toon and i wanna get some BoA gear for my cata toon

[Kaylia]

5 man dungeon, raid bosses, raid weekly (grabbed at violet hold in dalaran). Since you just dinged 80 and probably have no gears, I would stick to random dungeon for now.

[edit]
Wintergrasp used to offer BoA in exchanged of stone shard...not sure what happened to the vendor since they removed the shard.

Argent dawn also have BoA that can be exchanged for token, but you need to complete the daily a few times before getting access to the vendor.

[Falaras]

whats other ways to get justice points for heroics? i just hit 80 on a toon and i wanna get some BoA gear for my cata toon

BoA gear is crazy expensive compared to the JP you will get at 80, plus doesn't it not work 80-85 or did they never fix that bug?

[Plow]

5 man dungeon, raid bosses, raid weekly (grabbed at violet hold in dalaran). Since you just dinged 80 and probably have no gears, I would stick to random dungeon for now.

[edit]
Wintergrasp used to offer BoA in exchanged of stone shard...not sure what happened to the vendor since they removed the shard.

New 80's got a little bit screwed atm, random normal dungeon doesn't give JP after the first of the day, and you're not allowed to join a heroic until you have an average ilvl of 180. (heroic blues are 187 lol...)


Your best bet is to put some time into pvp and grab some 264+ pieces to bump your ilvl up to let you queue.


Wintergrasp stuff all costs straight honor now. That's actually another option for bumping your ilvl, as the older stuff is dirt cheap. I was looking the other day and iirc you can get 245 neck and cape + 251 shoulders all for under 1000 honor combined.

[MrSamuels]

One other question, any recommend "Rogue" hub websites/forums? For example I visit Pwnwear which is primarily a DK tanking website. I've not looked on elitist jerks yet for their stickies.

Elitist Jerks for Rogues should be the only place you look for any information, anything anywhere else is most probably 99% copied from Elitist Jerks. Aldriana and co put an amazing amount of time into the spreadsheet/Sims and stuff to figure out best dps/best everything to use. The new spreadsheet they are working on is looking amazing and tells you what gem should go where/What to reforge to/Upgradable gear choices.

[The Stig]

Thanks. Yeh I had a look at Shadowpanther which was worst than I thought, the charts seem incredibly boring to read for the time being.

Meanwhile, I'll just read Elitistjerks and go along normally until I reach endgame.

[Norellicus]

BoA gear is crazy expensive compared to the JP you will get at 80, plus doesn't it not work 80-85 or did they never fix that bug?

It's not a bug. The existing BoA won't work or scale 80-85, as stated several times by blue posts >.>

[Correction]

The new spreadsheet they are working on is looking amazing and tells you what gem should go where/What to reforge to/Upgradable gear choices.

For the record, the old spreadsheed by Aldriana did exactly this, minus the reforging advice. The only problem with the old spreadsheet was it had no dedicated entries for BS sockets/fur lining, etc. You had to fake it with ring enchants.

[vrumpt]

whats other ways to get justice points for heroics? i just hit 80 on a toon and i wanna get some BoA gear for my cata toon

BoA gear is already priced with respect to 85 content, which is why its so damn expensive in comparison to t9/t10. I'd honestly just wait and farm cata heroics if you want BoA gear at this point, or just run argent tourny dailies since those prices haven't changed and aren't changing.