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[Dezzimal]

I think what Abob was trying to say was try this combination of talents/glyphs out for your DPS.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...4&version=9551

Get your diseases up, then spam scourge strike and pray the glyph procs enough where you don't have to refresh your diseases too much. This spec is pretty hellish to play sometimes when the glyph refuses to proc, but it is the accepted way to play unholy DPS as far as I know. There are a lot of nuances to dpsing, you'll want to save things like empower rune weapon for bloodlust incase your glyph decides to not proc and you want two extra scourge strikes.

[Norellicus]

Glyph of plague strike IT FIRST ALWAYS. Icy touche also applys Frost feaver if you want to get them dots going that badly
Glyph of scourge strike jic you don't know what this does, because by the sound of it you don't. basically this means that you don't have to waste your time reapplying PS/IT every other rune rotation because they both do laughable damage, this also makes Desecration almost entirely pointless. I'm going to be honest here my IT/PS don't even break 4k damage combined when they both crit, I have some of the best gear you can get are you really going to tell people that its not a bad idea to not use this glyph?

you say that this is the best use of unholy talents out there, at best this is a cookie cutter DPS spec for some noob who just dinged 80, any dps in their right mind would never get unholy aura.

If you would stop e-raging after my first line you would see that I conceded that you can move the points from the aura, but they improve your solo grinding speed and the utility they provide for high mobility may outweigh a slight dps improvement (because really, you can't do a whole lot else with those two points other than guarantee Desecration is up or get a whopping 4% more damage on Necrosis).

Admittedly, I wasn't thinking about the PS glyph when I said that and I'd probably agree that it's more important to get that damage bonus. I don't play my DK much

[shinoniken]

Glyph of plague strike IT FIRST ALWAYS. Icy touche also applys Frost feaver if you want to get them dots going that badly
Glyph of scourge strike jic you don't know what this does, because by the sound of it you don't. basically this means that you don't have to waste your time reapplying PS/IT every other rune rotation because they both do laughable damage, this also makes Desecration almost entirely pointless. I'm going to be honest here my IT/PS don't even break 4k damage combined when they both crit, I have some of the best gear you can get are you really going to tell people that its not a bad idea to not use this glyph?

you say that this is the best use of unholy talents out there, at best this is a cookie cutter DPS spec for some noob who just dinged 80, any dps in their right mind would never get unholy aura.

I'd be willing to bet that you wouldn't spec any buff as long as your personal dps would benefit from it. Math has proven time and time over that unholy aura can actually prove to be one of the biggest dps buffs in any movement based fight. Those 2 points you lose from Necrosis, that 8% white damage buff, which is an extremely minuscule dps increase for an unholy dk, is certainly not as good. But I'm sure that since the tooltip doesn't read MAKE YO NUMBERS SO BIG GG, it must really suck. Always remember that cookie cutter specs are usually cookie cutter for a reason, so you shouldn't talk shit without any backup.

[Abob]

unholy aura makes me nerd rage there are better places to spend the points considering you have unholy presence if you want to farm (you don't need the 15% damage bonus from blood presence when 1-2 shot most mobs) which makes these minor upgrades (2 points) to your dps well worth it considering you already have an ability that does pretty much the same thing already. =( (lol unholy aura /rant off)

necrosis is well worth the points, considering white damage will be your first or second most damaging ability(I cant think of what else to call it) necrosis adds 20% damage to this, say white damage is 25% of your total damage necrosis adds another 5-7% of your total damage. its passive its like adding another 6% to your dps, this really isn't something to stick your nose up at =/

ill agree with dezz when that glyph doesn't proc it makes you want to punch yourself in the face for having to play such a poorly made class (go go abilitys that do almost no damage but apparently improve your dps even tho you get better dps if you just drop them all together)

I would be more willing to say try this spec tho =/ lol@advancement points in outbreak.

@shinoniken you bash me for not having proof yet you don't provide any yourself =/

how many movement based fights are there? 1 maybe 2? max 3? thats a WHOLE LOTTA EXTRA DPS. 15% movement speed isn't much at all. lets all run faster and use shitty run speed metas and shitty chants

so 15% movement speed for the fight maybe once a wing is better than a solid dps boost for every fight? I need proof please completely obliterate my argument with it I beg of you.

[Arelian]

@Abob

If you'd take a minute away from your nerd raging and actually keep up with EJ, you'd see that the accepted cookie-cutter DPS build for unholy pre-3.1 is Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

You'll be sure to notice it includes Unholy Aura. I'm not going to go through the full 67 pages of the threat (found at: Unholy DPS Discussion - Elitist Jerks ) just to prove you wrong, but it's usually a safe bet that if you don't understand the math on EJ, you should just follow what they tell you to do.

[SamanosukeShiva]

did raids, but i didnt get the badge from killing bosses, while everyone got them. is there anything that i have to do before i get them?

[Ramor]

Unholy Aura is actually fairly useful in quite a few fights, taking Naxx for example:

Grobbulus, moves people away who have the disease faster
Thaddius, obvious I'd hope
Heigan, again, obvious
Gluth, ever kited? 15% made me quite happy especially with Frost Presence on
Sapph, again obvious (I hope)

just a few off the top of my head, but really there's a lot of chance when people could be hardcore fucking shit up if they were a single step behind, if Unholy Aura saves even 30~50k damage a fight I'd imagine it's worth it to a lot of people. I'm going to guess you've more than once found yourself at extremely low health and somehow managed to not die and then been quite the help in the end. If it saves one person a fight that could easily be the difference between victory and defeat. The extra DPS it *might* give you to put those points elsewhere will never equal the usefulness of a tank, another DPS or a healer. While it should be obvious that the 15% probably won't ever do those things, the one time it does I'd find to be well worth it, especially if the alternative is shaving off maybe 15~ seconds of a single fight. Of course it's all changing in 3.1 anyway so what's to worry about?

[Ishido]

What are the changes in 3.1? Didn't see anything significant other than FF being extended to 5 min so I'll look into the notes. So using Wrath to proc Eclipse is better than SF proc Eclipse?

Nature's Grace is now a 20% haste buff which has a 3 second duration and is not consumed by the next cast. Depending on crit it's entirely possible to approach 100% uptime, though I'd imagine 70-80% numbers being more common for well-geared moonkins.

Wrath is really not great for spamming because you will never cast it faster than 1s (in repetition).

[Slott]

did raids, but i didnt get the badge from killing bosses, while everyone got them. is there anything that i have to do before i get them?

loot the corpse... lol

[SamanosukeShiva]

i did, the badge wasnt there

[Noobta]

Maybe you looted it but didn't notice? It goes into currency tab, not your bags.

[SamanosukeShiva]

i checked, not there. is there a lvl requirement for it? I have stonekeeper's shard in my bag, does that affect anything?

[Noobta]

What raid was it?

[SamanosukeShiva]

gruul's lair, mag lair

[Guitarman]

were you dead when the boss was killed? thatll happen if someone loots the corpse while your dead.

[Rama]

Are there any boss-dummies that aren't flanked by lv80 dummies? I'd like to get a clean single-target DPS number including Living Bomb but they are too close.

[Eaglestrike]

Are there any boss-dummies that aren't flanked by lv80 dummies? I'd like to get a clean single-target DPS number including Living Bomb but they are too close.

What's the range on Living Bomb? I think there should be 8-10 yards at least in SMC...

[Plow]

Not sure if you mean Ally or Horde, but the Ironforge boss dummy is 25ish yards from any others.

[Guitarman]

Horde side i believe the thunder bluff boss dummy is quite a bit a ways from the others. It's been a while though; i use the ebon hold one.

[Rama]

What's the range on Living Bomb? I think there should be 8-10 yards at least in SMC...

Silvermoon worked thanks. I'll check out TB and Ebon hold some other time I suppose