Random Question Thread

[aurik]

First of all, why do you play WoW using a [public] proxy? Wouldnt it slow your connection to a point where the game is unplayable.

Because I want to? Who the fuck are you to tell me how I should interface with the internet.

But yeah, if someone is trying to hack you using the same proxy, and that proxy is using the same static address for everyone all the time (unlikely), there is a chance that you're right.

And hence they should add an option to force authentication every time.

But let's face it, this shit isn't going to happen. The logistic of setting this up and finding keylogged players who use public proxy to play wow would be too hard, and the odds someone make profit out of that is abyssal.

So? The chance of me being hacked without an authenticator was already close to zero, and I still purchased an authenticator. Why? For peace of mind. This is just Blizzard stepping back on the peace of mind I purchased for no fucking apparent reason, and a checkbox would literally take a trained monkey about 10 minutes to add.

Go ahead and list the rest.

No? One valid reason is enough. Rest assured that there are more. Go read the Blizzard forum complaint threads if you want.

[Correction]

I've just started leveling a healing class through 5-man dungeons, and slogged through two DK tanks in one night, one good, one terrible. Death Strike is fucking up my overheals, how do other healers manage it? I do not wish to simply let DKs ride at 70% health on the off chance they MIGHT heal themselves back up, and I don't have a good way to monitor their active runes.

[aurik]

Let them ride at 70%. No reason to top them off, they shouldn't die from 70% very fast.

[Kaylia]

I think you give the people who like to steal accounts too little credit on the steps they will take to acquire accounts.

Again, the % of the population that use proxy to play WoW must be incredibly tiny. For Aurik's scenario to become true, it need to be a public proxy that use a single static ip for everyone that can be controlled by the clients (in this case gilseller) and such thing are non-existant. If the proxy compagny also happen to be the one stealing account, then you're fucked up either way, and you have something else to worry about.

Like I said in my first post, the only scenario where it matter is to protect your account from your roommates. This is the one and only valid reason I can imagine, and I have yet to see another scenario that is remotely likeley to happen.

Because I want to? Who the fuck are you to tell me how I should interface with the internet

Because you make no sense, and you use that nonsense as an argument?

The only reason why are remaining vague is because you're wrong, and you know it.

So? The chance of me being hacked without an authenticator was already close to zero, and I still purchased an authenticator. Why? For peace of mind. This is just Blizzard stepping back on the peace of mind I purchased for no fucking apparent reason, and a checkbox would literally take a trained monkey about 10 minutes to add.

Back when they started selling authenticator, they werent resorting to rigorous IP check. That was a completely different situation.

The authentificator combined with IP check is still more secure than IP check alone (like in rift) since it's not uncommon that both e-mail and account are compromised. That's why you have both.

No? One valid reason is enough. Rest assured that there are more. Go read the Blizzard forum complaint threads if you want.

The reason you mentioned isn't remotely valid.

[Kaylia]

It's a 300 million dollar/year industry in Asia.

Stealing account from public proxy is not a 300 millions dollar industry however. It's not an industry at all.

[Correction]

The reason you mentioned isn't remotely valid.

Why are you railing so hard against someone who merely wants the option to turn the authentication prompt back on? It wouldn't affect people comfortable with the change one bit.

[Kaylia]

Why are you railing so hard against someone who merely wants the option to turn the authentication prompt back on? It wouldn't affect people comfortable with the change one bit.

Right now, I don't understand why anyone would feel insecure with this change. That's why I'm asking for clarification to see if there is indeed a valid reason to be worried about, or it's simply people being overzealous because they don't know better.

Why is it important? Because if I'm wrong, I would learn something important that I might have overlooked for years with network. However, people's fear until now are not justified.

[Correction]

It isn't nothing, internet security lives and dies on single digit percentages, and every little bit added or taken away counts.

[Odon]

Stealing account from public proxy is not a 300 millions dollar industry however. It's not an industry at all.

I was obviously talking about just from public proxys.

You read it here folks, RMTing is not an industry and no one wants to steal your accounts.

[Kaylia]

@Correction
I know this, but that doesnt mean everything is possible. Take Odon's replies in the first place. He brought up IP spoofing as a mean to steal your account, but someone spoofing your ip wouldn't be able to connect to the server to cancel your token, log on your characters or do anything. It's a small detail, but it makes all the difference between a safe situation, and another that is very scary.

Also, I edited my last post to add some clarity.

I was obviously talking about just from public proxys.

You read it here folks, RMTing is not an industry and no one wants to steal your accounts.

Ever heard of context? I guess not.

But let's face it, this shit isn't going to happen. The logistic of setting this up and finding keylogged players who use public proxy to play wow would be too hard, and the odds someone make profit out of that is abyssal.

I think you give the people who like to steal accounts too little credit on the steps they will take to acquire accounts.

It's a 300 million dollar/year industry in Asia.

I'm not sure if you were trying to be Captain obvious or if you were supporting Meresgi's statement, but if it was the later, you have to realize that we were talking about Aurik's scenario. It doesn't matter how huge this industry is, you don't invest millions in something that would most likely end up stealing 0 accounts.

[Odon]

I wonder where I got that idea.



my point was they will go to any length possible to steal your account.

[Kaylia]

And back to Aurik's statement, can anyone explain me why anyone who is worried about security is using public proxy?

[Kaylia]

I wonder where I got that idea.

Stealing account using Aurik's method is not an industry and will never be, I wasnt talking about RMT in general.....


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And why in hell would you take a screenshot of my post when you can just use the quote button...anyway

my point was they will go to any length possible to steal your account.

Yes, we all understood Meresgi's point when he posted it before you, and worded it better....

But that's not true, they won't do anything to steal your account, they will do anything that give them money. Hunting people the way Aurik's mentioned wouldnt be feasible, and it's not an option they can even think about.

[Odon]

Holy fuck you don't get it

[Kaylia]

There is nothing to get, you're the one who can't follow a converation.

[Odon]

Nope, you don't get it. You're wrong and fat.

[Kaylia]

I didn't expect anything intelligent to come out of your mouth anyway, I'm glad you lived to my expectation.

[Boyiee]

Time for everyone to shut the fuck up me thinks, and stop emptying their bowels on to this thread.

Spoiler: show

You're wrong and fat.

I lol'd

[Odon]

I didn't expect anything intelligent to come out of your mouth anyway, I'm glad you lived to my expectation.

That's you.

I don't think I'm the only one who doesn't understand why you're being such a twat. There is no reason why Blizzard shouldn't/can't add something to check so you always have to enter your authenticator number. Just because you don't give a flying fuck about your shit account doesn't mean everyone is like you.

Just because you've never heard about someone getting hacked using a public proxy, doesn't mean it can't happen, it doesn't mean someone wouldn't go through the effort to do it. Just because you failed 7th grade English, doesn't mean my point is hard to understand. Aurik gave you a reason, you act like it wasn't good enough and asked for more. Why the fuck do you care if he wants to always enter his digipass?

http://virtual-economy.org/blog/how_...mt_market_anyw

http://virtual-economy.org/files/RMT...ates_table.jpg

Oh hey look an industry worth at 2006, almost a Billion dollars, which it's probably passed by now.

You're an idiot. Shut the fuck up.

[Meresgi]

And back to Aurik's statement, can anyone explain me why anyone who is worried about security is using public proxy?

Taking precautions is a horrible thing. Like it's been said before, 10 fucking minutes to put this in with a toggle on it that players can choose if they want the window to pop every time or not. Stop defending Blizzard like it's a great idea on their part, was anyone REALLY annoyed having to put their Authenticator code in each log in time? I have mine sitting right next to my monitor and it took all of 5 seconds to input it...what I did hate about it was WoW constantly d/cing me if I logged out of one character and tried to log into another, even AFTER they lied and told us all they had fixed the issue completely.