Random Question Thread

**FailureMidgard** · 2011-12-30 18:01

P1 order really doesnt matter...if you're getting to P2, don't change it, I doubt it will help anything. We do blue>green>yellow>red and have no issues at all...everyone in this thread does it differently, and the best order is entirely dependent on the strengths and weaknesses of your raid (both comp and player skill/etc).

As for P2, don't lust at the start. Full stop DPS on Deathwing at ~11%. Kill 2nd set of adds (both types), then lust and burn. This is the biggest change to make it easier...if you're already doing this, then dunno what to say. DPS and healing requirements are both pretty low if you do it this way.

**Gulkeeva** · 2011-12-30 19:12

Originally Posted by niwaar

Honestly, DK tanks and Bear tanks make things easier for Madness. Merely because a DK tank can correctly time DS to absorb a HUGE chunk of an impale. Combined with a CD and your DK tank can laugh them off while your warrior will drop significantly more. Toss in the fact that impale is mitigated by armor and the two higher armor tanks do better by default.

That being said, we Pally/War tank and do just fine. Our make or break is merely having a BR to pick up a tank if one dies to Terrors at the end. The key with the Terrors is to kill the first one fast enough so that the first tank can taunt the second terror off as soon as their debuff drops. Remember Warrior has shit all for decent CDs outside of Dream and a Shield Wall they can use a single time in the final phase. LS may help them live for a single tick of the debuff, but really isnt helping much. Same with DK. Army can help mitigate damage during the Terror phase as well (or so I hear, since our former DK is now our warrior tank.)

I'm curious, are you having any deaths prior to the final platform? We tried your order and had issues with Elementium Blast, so we do Green>Red>Yellow>Blue and only have to take the blast a single time. Our one shotting it or not all comes down to that single Blast being survived. If we can get past that point without having any stupid death's we win. Doing Blue before last, will pretty much stop you dead in your tracks. The 20% damage increase is what is propping your dps up as high as it is. Until you are far better geared, do not try Blue before last.

The biggest thing to remember is that you have 2 "get out of jail free" cards in terms of impale damage on your tanks. I see you are running with a ret paladin and a holy paladin. BoP blocks 100% of physical damage for its duration and impale is a channeled spell. So, BoPing your tank is not only a safe idea, but a good one. Just make sure your other tank is second on the threat list so a random melee doesnt get their face bashed in after impale. (Or have your tank click off the BoP as soon as Impale lands.) Use your BoPs on the impales that occur during the Elementium Blasts and you should see less tank deaths. Your tank should still use a cd to mitigate the Blast damage, but that huge damage from impale will be negated, keeping your tank far from a risk of dying.

Other then someone randomly falling into the ocean to their death usually only just one of the tanks aka impale insta-gib at some point.

The dps on the recount is about 2-3K higher, its just as your wiping it soorta drops a bit (especially with some people thinking they can survive by running to other platforms while the blobs are up, or on P2 with the horrors etc).

Haven't had issue with elementium bolt, we just stack far away from it and someone pops a cooldown, no one drops too far, so no real issue.

Only iffy situation I've seen in my pug group is, the 4th tentacle remaining 10sec when it does, we've had ones at 4-5sec.

Then theirs the "tank always dies to elementium horror" in P2... always at least one. even though were burning the things down in seconds and theirs 3 healers.

healing done (without merge absorb , priest is at 12K). Not 100% sure on healing meters myself and all so not sure if thats good healing, ok, or "omg how the hell are you all surviving"
http://www.neko-sentai.com/images10za/recountDS2.jpg

**niwaar** · 2011-12-30 21:50

Like I suggested before, if your tank thinks he has any chance of being insta-gibbed he should call for a BoP from one of your two paladins. It should pretty much stop that from happening.

Your healing just looks extremely low overall. 3 healing the encounter all 3 of ours are 18-23k hps. I dont see how you are surviving as long as you are. You are close, but it just seems like oyu need a few things to get you over the hump. Improving healing could do it, but I have a feeling its just replacing your low warlock and managing Terror tank damage in p2.

**aurik** · 2011-12-31 12:39

Going to mention this again, dropping healers and tanks actually made this fight easier to heal. We were struggling with 3 heals 2 tanks, decided to move to 2 heals 1 tank and started to one-shot it. Order green-red-yellow-blue but I don't think the platform order is tremendously important, you can make adjustments to make almost any kill order viable.

We also use a warrior tank. He uses http://www.wowhead.com/item=68996 Stay of Execution on the fight as an additional cooldown. Quite an excellent trinket, actually.

With 7 dps, the impaling tentacle thing dies before the elementium bolt is even attackable most times.

**niwaar** · 2011-12-31 20:26

I definitely feel this is doable for us as well at this point. We were actually on the verge of trying it before we got him down the first time. Since our first kill its been 1 or 2 shot (2 this week cause our goofball cat druid, name withheld, went and died randomly.)

Pretty good tip with that Stay of Execution trick.

**Meresgi** · 2011-12-31 22:46

So anyone run Ret/Rogue/DK for 3's? I hear it's pretty laughable how faceroll and OP it is. Just wondering target priorities

**Boyiee** · 2011-12-31 23:02

Originally Posted by Meresgi

So anyone run Ret/Rogue/DK for 3's? I hear it's pretty laughable how faceroll and OP it is. Just wondering target priorities

Our holy pal in 3s is going to change to ret this week, and we'll be running it. It'll probably faceroll through 1800. Pick a non-paladin target, open on him, smokebomb, pop ams/bubble/cloak to eat any AOE fears, dead target. The rest should be easy.

After 1800 or 2k that most likley wont work as much anymore and an easy hard swap will take over. DK/Pal start on a dps or healer, rogue opens on another, hard switch to either rogues or plates target, smokebomb, win.

**Plow** · 2012-01-01 02:32

Originally Posted by Boyiee

Our holy pal in 3s is going to change to ret this week, and we'll be running it. It'll probably faceroll through 1800. Pick a non-paladin target, open on him, smokebomb, pop ams/bubble/cloak to eat any AOE fears, dead target. The rest should be easy.

After 1800 or 2k that most likley wont work as much anymore and an easy hard swap will take over. DK/Pal start on a dps or healer, rogue opens on another, hard switch to either rogues or plates target, smokebomb, win.

As long as you're smart about cc tunneling works quite well even at very high ratings.

example of hunter instead of dk:

It's a bit different with a bm hunter vs a frost dk (ok not that different lawl), but while there are some good quick switches and stuff it's 90% execution of proper lockout and burndown while staying out of cc.

**Boyiee** · 2012-01-01 17:11

Just started gearing my alt warrior for pvp, have 1800 conquest points now and wondering what to get for my first purchase.

This is what I look like right now:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...d/Aerss/simple

Normally I would go main set pieces first, but having vicious trinket makes it tempting to grab that upgrade for the huge resil gain. I'm thinking just say screw it and go with my normal mentality, and grab chest/helm asap.

edit: I apparently can't do math and rely too much on addon doing it for me. Chest is obvious choice. But do I grab something with my 1800points now or save for chest?

**Plow** · 2012-01-01 19:30

Originally Posted by Boyiee

Just started gearing my alt warrior for pvp, have 1800 conquest points now and wondering what to get for my first purchase.

This is what I look like right now:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...d/Aerss/simple

Normally I would go main set pieces first, but having vicious trinket makes it tempting to grab that upgrade for the huge resil gain. I'm thinking just say screw it and go with my normal mentality, and grab chest/helm asap.

edit: I apparently can't do math and rely too much on addon doing it for me. Chest is obvious choice. But do I grab something with my 1800points now or save for chest?

http://www.queueq.net

get your 390 in a couple days with that (cross-realm premades) and then do whatever

membership is not required btw, just gets you into the rooms faster

**Boyiee** · 2012-01-01 21:32

Originally Posted by Plow

http://www.queueq.net

get your 390 in a couple days with that (cross-realm premades) and then do whatever

membership is not required btw, just gets you into the rooms faster

What the fuck is that lol, I'm on Kel'Thuzad - Nightfall (where the good pvpers are ;p )

**Plow** · 2012-01-01 22:04

battlegroup doesn't matter

it's fast easy honor with people that actually listen, and it's up and running pretty much 24/7 is all

you playing with panda and zanyu and co?

**Boyiee** · 2012-01-01 22:28

No.

I entered the vent, now I guess I just wait? You sure BG/Realm doesn't matter? lol

**Boyiee** · 2012-01-01 23:26

After a long wait, I'm in a half-premade AV. We'll see where this goes, thanks for the link.

edit: Well we're winning AV's but its not CTA or anything so the honor gain feels pretty slow - but at least its wins on a day where I've lost several bg's.

**Thuronn** · 2012-01-02 13:33

Is there any haste rating I'm looking at for my (mostly Surv) hunter? Just got my 4set and feel like I have a crazy amount.

**Plow** · 2012-01-02 17:17

Originally Posted by Boyiee

After a long wait, I'm in a half-premade AV. We'll see where this goes, thanks for the link.

edit: Well we're winning AV's but its not CTA or anything so the honor gain feels pretty slow - but at least its wins on a day where I've lost several bg's.

basically doing AV on a weekend that's not AV weekend means there's too many people in the waiting room but not enough leaders on to keep rooms going for the CTA, which was strand this week

basically how fast your honor will be will come down to luck, although it's never going to be quite as fast as just single queuing randoms IF you win every random, it catches up fast as soon as you lose 1 or 2 randoms, though

I don't even need honor anymore but I still jump on there whenever I feel like doing bg's, because it's infinitely less frustrating to just go play with people that will listen than to try to actually have fun in a random pug.

AV/IoC weekends it's absolutely insane honor, during other weekends it's still nice if there's enough leaders to do the right bg, the rest of the time it's just a bit better than soloing but without the frustration. To get the most out of AV's, be a recaller. Best honor and most fun.

**SamanosukeShiva** · 2012-01-02 18:57

Originally Posted by Thuronn

Is there any haste rating I'm looking at for my (mostly Surv) hunter? Just got my 4set and feel like I have a crazy amount.

you want 750ish, which you probably have without even trying and cant get any lower even if you try. reforge everything to crit, rest to mastery.

**Boyiee** · 2012-01-02 19:29

Originally Posted by Plow

basically doing AV on a weekend that's not AV weekend means there's too many people in the waiting room but not enough leaders on to keep rooms going for the CTA, which was strand this week

basically how fast your honor will be will come down to luck, although it's never going to be quite as fast as just single queuing randoms IF you win every random, it catches up fast as soon as you lose 1 or 2 randoms, though

I don't even need honor anymore but I still jump on there whenever I feel like doing bg's, because it's infinitely less frustrating to just go play with people that will listen than to try to actually have fun in a random pug.

AV/IoC weekends it's absolutely insane honor, during other weekends it's still nice if there's enough leaders to do the right bg, the rest of the time it's just a bit better than soloing but without the frustration. To get the most out of AV's, be a recaller. Best honor and most fun.

Yeah we only lost 1 AV out of a countless number, and ended up switching to SOTA which we won every one including farming horde GY at end for 6 minutes. In the last 17 hours I've gained 6 or 7 new honor pieces, lol. Thanks for the site, it is definitely faster honor by winning over and over.

**Plow** · 2012-01-02 19:41

yeah np, I'm just glad bg's don't worry about battlegroups anymore, I started with qq when I was on blackrock, I would have gone insane farming honor when I went back to malfurion if cata hadn't done that heh

you'll probably see me around there some in the next week or so if you're on btw, I'm Laila / Malfurion, say hey ^^

**Boyiee** · 2012-01-02 21:25

Oh I will. I'll be the only guy from kel'thuzad probably.

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