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    Ended up levelling a Warlock which, I must say, is sure quite fun.
    Just two questions, on top of my mind:

    - How locks handle trash packs? Should I DoT every mob or focus on just one?

    - Exactly, how weaker Warlocks are compared to Hunters in terms of soloing content at 85? I didnt do the math, but Void and Felguard looks like great choices for tanking stuff.. Plus they can be healed, etc

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    Tomino: For Warlock, you can do the following - spec into the pet spec (I forgot the name now lol, not touched warlock in months. demonligiy i think) which gives you Rambo (the dude with the AXE!)

    On pull, send Rambo in via a spell. Use Hand of Gulan when you get it, ensure that it lands in the trash pack.

    Make Rambo BONESTORM (the Hand of Gulan creates a little area where if mobs are in it, increases Rambo's Crit chance). And then spam Rain of Fire until everything dies. Easy 1k DPS at mid levels (40~) and 5k+ DPS at 70~

    Regarding the solo thing: I believe extremely weak. Hunters solo stuff via the use of a proper tank pet and feign death, from what I can see. If you try soloing using the black cloud puff or Rambo, I noticed you rip threat off way too easily. (not sure if it's the same at 85, but I assume it is)

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    Can someone share the dupe trick? I'm just curious. No QQers on MMO Champ that I can see lol. Naturally I'll use at my own risk

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    I doubt that if there was a dupe trick that you would have a hard time finding it as ppl dont want to be found out and it probably involves a hack of some sort and not a in-game glitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stig View Post
    Regarding the solo thing: I believe extremely weak. Hunters solo stuff via the use of a proper tank pet and feign death, from what I can see. If you try soloing using the black cloud puff or Rambo, I noticed you rip threat off way too easily. (not sure if it's the same at 85, but I assume it is)
    Level 85 ability lets you transfer all threat to Voidwalker (black cloud puff) for several seconds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomino View Post
    - Exactly, how weaker Warlocks are compared to Hunters in terms of soloing content at 85? I didnt do the math, but Void and Felguard looks like great choices for tanking stuff.. Plus they can be healed, etc
    Warlocks can't solo what Hunters can solo, as they don't have cooldowns that match the power of Deterrence/Feign/Disengage and have fewer dps options when kiting or backing off threat. It's also heaps easier to reset and start over when something goes wrong, giving Hunters more efficiency when learning how to solo stuff at 85.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Correction View Post
    Warlocks can't solo what Hunters can solo, as they don't have cooldowns that match the power of Deterrence/Feign/Disengage and have fewer dps options when kiting or backing off threat. It's also heaps easier to reset and start over when something goes wrong, giving Hunters more efficiency when learning how to solo stuff at 85.
    I completely disagree. I feel it's the other way around because hunters can't heal their pet as well as warlocks on top of they have no self heals.

    I would love to see a hunter solo this at the time he did(patch 3.1 I believe).


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    I'd be worried about a warlocks pets ability to hold hate more than anything. Being able to have 100% uptime on MD (if you want to use the global) with feign death as a back up allows you to never have hate issue. Being able to keep your pet healed without channeling, and losing DPS is a big plus. Having specialized pets for different fights (spirit beasts for more healing, turtles w/e) on top of being able to spec your pets individually is a huge advantage. Self heals are all you're really missing, although you take such minimal damage your chim shots/BM passive regen is enough to offset some damage here or there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syntex View Post
    I completely disagree. I feel it's the other way around because hunters can't heal their pet as well as warlocks on top of they have no self heals.
    Well no, see you're wrong here. The mitigation by a hunter's turtle and tank spec completely dwarf's Warlocks, there is a reason Exodus used Kripparian's turtle to kill Heroic Ultraxion in 10 man and the same reason people tanked Heroic Domo with a turtle too well, almost the same reason
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    yes I know it didnt flame slash
    , the point is they're capable of it.. The increased healing from talents makes my mend pet tick for around 19k~ which is PLENTY for soloing old content. And the 50% increased healing is PLENTY for healers to keep a pet up for current content.

    Also Chimera shot heals plenty as marks as does spirit bond. Dunno what the heck you're talking about

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    Has anyone else noticed an increase in people trying to buy guilds? On Stormrage there's been an endless stream of people trying to buy guilds of all levels in trade chat. As in it went from maybe one guy per day, to dozens. Some don't give a shit what level they are, others want specific ones like level 3, 7, 12-16, etc. I figure if it's for a bank alt they'd just go with w/e and be happy, but it seems too specific to be just that.

    Inb4 it's related to the duping.

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    What weapon should I use on my hunter.

    Vishanka LFR (staff) Kiril LFR (bow)
    or
    Spire of Coagulated globule and Horrifying horn Arbalest (both normal mode)

    I was leaning toward the LFR weapon, but I'm not sure how good the proc are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylia View Post
    What weapon should I use on my hunter.

    Vishanka LFR (staff) Kiril LFR (bow)
    or
    Spire of Coagulated globule and Horrifying horn Arbalest (both normal mode)

    I was leaning toward the LFR weapon, but I'm not sure how good the proc are.
    I'm a kitty, but I have LFR Kiril and even if I picked up 397 SoCG I would still use Kiril's. The proc fires off all the damned time. It's like a constant free +950 agility. Even with the loss of 56 weapon dps and some secondary stats, I still prefer the proc.

    For hunters, hands down, LFR Kiril >> 397 SoCG. No question.

    I dunno about your bows though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odon View Post
    Well no, see you're wrong here. The mitigation by a hunter's turtle and tank spec completely dwarf's Warlocks, there is a reason Exodus used Kripparian's turtle to kill Heroic Ultraxion in 10 man and the same reason people tanked Heroic Domo with a turtle too well, almost the same reason
    Spoiler: show
    yes I know it didnt flame slash
    , the point is they're capable of it.. The increased healing from talents makes my mend pet tick for around 19k~ which is PLENTY for soloing old content. And the 50% increased healing is PLENTY for healers to keep a pet up for current content.

    Also Chimera shot heals plenty as marks as does spirit bond. Dunno what the heck you're talking about
    I'm not fully up-to-date on hunters but last time I played one or looked into the abilities they had the paled in comparison to locks ability to heal a pet and heal themselves.

    I think its honestly personal preference at this point because each class can solo something amazingly hard no other class can in some ways.

    Ranged caster dps or ranged melee dps? You decide

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    I would take lock over hunter any day of the week. I have both, never touch the hunter.

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    Just starting to get serious about raiding with my new rogue. Still pretty new to it, was wondering if theres anything I can change in terms of gear that I'm missing.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...beans/advanced

    I know epic gems and shoulder enchant would help, but anything else I may be missing would be greatly apreciated. I feel like I'm doing good dps in DS, but hear of other rogues doing so much more.

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    I would take lock over hunter any day of the week. I have both, never touch the hunter.
    It's a tough battle for me.
    Warlock is immensely more various in terms of skills. There are so many tricks available, and I didnt have unlocked 2nd spec yet (was curious to try Destro for some pew pew grind). But at the same time, I had always hated DoTs with a passion : i rarely have the feeling I'm damaging the enemy, unless I stick to 4sec cast (!) Soul Fire.

    Hunter looks like a whole different game, shoot & run, very mobile and "action" oriented. While lacking in terms of choices (send pet, collect loot), you feel you're slaughtering mobs left and right. 2-shotting monsters from a distance while running around not even caring, it's so lol-worthy. At the same time, I feel I'm just spamming 2 buttons for the rest of my toon's life. Unless I'm trapping something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patb View Post
    Just starting to get serious about raiding with my new rogue. Still pretty new to it, was wondering if theres anything I can change in terms of gear that I'm missing.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...beans/advanced

    I know epic gems and shoulder enchant would help, but anything else I may be missing would be greatly apreciated. I feel like I'm doing good dps in DS, but hear of other rogues doing so much more.
    Don't even think about epic gems. Unless you're progressing in a heroic guild, or have a ton of money to spare, you don't need 200agi/50 000gold.


    Anyway, your gears look fine. If your DPS is lower than rogue with similar gears and buffs, get a spreadsheet, figure out your theoretical dps and go fight a training doll to match it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylia View Post
    What weapon should I use on my hunter.

    Vishanka LFR (staff) Kiril LFR (bow)
    or
    Spire of Coagulated globule and Horrifying horn Arbalest (both normal mode)

    I was leaning toward the LFR weapon, but I'm not sure how good the proc are.
    The proc is under a minute normally, often I press my eng gloves during the proc and I get the staff to reproc before the CD from my eng. gloves is back

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    Been doing random WoLK heroic dungeons for gold/cloth (goddamn blue protodrake too) and decided to start knocking out some achievements as well.

    Went into H Occulus just to see how far I could go and made it to last boss: Initially I chose a bronze drake and that didn't work well at all on Eregos lol. Wiped it, choose green and kited with healing poison thingy and promptly fell to my demise due to MANY WHELPS. Went in again with red drake and kited using flame breath. Just gotta fly a circle pattern while strafing and shoot fire lazers. Whelps didn't give me any trouble. Whenever he soft enrages, I hit the defense cd and it works fine.

    The lowest I got that fucker was 12% before he knocked me off my ride, blew all cds and went apeshit on him as melee and wiped at ~3% as his gd whelps ate me alive.

    Anyone ever solo this place and have any tips? Seems like I'm missing something. I'm in 386 dps gear, and I thought the drakes would scale a bit better. =(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylia View Post
    What weapon should I use on my hunter.

    Vishanka LFR (staff) Kiril LFR (bow)
    or
    Spire of Coagulated globule and Horrifying horn Arbalest (both normal mode)

    I was leaning toward the LFR weapon, but I'm not sure how good the proc are.
    The spire just isnt worth it imo. Like others have said, the staff proc is basically 20 seconds (10 ramp-up/10 stacked) out of every 60.

    As for the bow, the LFR Vishanka is nice, but unless the recent change to the proc made it leaps and bounds better than it was, the 397 bow is the way to go. The proc isnt as common as it should be and it doesn't do enough damage vs the stats and raw damage increase than the ilvl difference would give you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syntex View Post
    I'm not fully up-to-date on hunters but last time I played one or looked into the abilities they had the paled in comparison to locks ability to heal a pet and heal themselves.

    I think its honestly personal preference at this point because each class can solo something amazingly hard no other class can in some ways.

    Ranged caster dps or ranged melee dps? You decide
    I'm not sure why you think health funnel is a superior way to heal your pet over mend pet ticking for 20k+ each tick, nor do I think there is anything a lock can solo that a hunter can't in a better/more efficient manner
    And like I said, Hunter pets can be built to tanks, lock pets cannot.

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