Random Question Thread

**Kaylia** · 2012-02-01 00:07

Female dwarf say there is a 8 dps difference between cunning and ferocity, does it even matter? Unless it's not counting call of the wild maybe? I havent checked

And yes, I already have all these pet. Ravager 4% dmg and dragonhawk: 8% spell damages are fairly good as well. In fact, isn't mangle the worst pet buff you can bring since bleed damage are generally the lowest one, and the classes that deal this kind of damages generally have that debuff.

Anyway, the reason why I was asking for addon is because figuring out everyone's specs and talents is annoying.

I usually go by this chart for pets, but it's missing a few like rogue's on sunder.

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**The Stig** · 2012-02-01 03:45

Originally Posted by Nyosan

Killed Deathwing in LFR today, and double dagger and double axe dropped.

I was on Resto spec instead of my main of Enhancement, so when I lotted 'need' I didn't get the role bonus.

Noone else needed any of them, but some rogue rolled 'need' on all four, and immediately disbanded. He ended up winning them all, and noone was able to pick them up even though he'd left the raid long before the rolls even happened.

I waited around until every other person left, hoping to pick up an axe, but once everyone else was gone, it wouldn't even let me check the elementium fragment anymore.

Any way to avoid this in the future? Obviously I'll LFR as DPS only in the future, but anything other than that? It sucks watching the item I wanted most go to waste.

Edit: God, just read this in the 4.3.2 patch notes:

"Players can no longer win multiple copies of the same item on a single Raid Finder boss kill. For example, a player who chooses Need on two set piece tokens or two weapons and wins the first, will not be eligible for the second on that particular boss."

FML, that's what I get for squeezing in a 1am raid before the servers went down.

It's fine, it's reset either way.

Anyway, this is unfortunately LFR for you. No way to avoid it. Most people are probably pricks, so you might as well join in. No way to prevent this and the fact you didn't even get a chance to speak to the Rogue clearly proves he was purposely doing so (although some claim that they don't read and hit need on everything) to maybe grief.

I mentioned in another thread, the 1 hander and 2 hander sword has it worst.

If I win 2 hander as tank:
everyone whispers me: "do you need it?" "you're tank!" "can i have it?"
I ignore everyone and think "fuck you no"

If I win 1 hander as DPS (frost DK/arms war/ret paladin)
tanks whisper me "do you need it?" "you're DPS!!!"

In either situation, if you lost the roll and one of the above happened and you're the "opposite" role for it (tank for 1 hander, dps for 2 hander), the winner of the items would most likely not trade you.

So best thing is just to have utter contempt for everyone in LFR and just roll along.

**Kaylia** · 2012-02-01 04:06

So best thing is just to have utter contempt for everyone in LFR and just roll along.

Or the worst thing.

I just roll on everything, and give them to whoever rolled on the item and did decent. That offspec gears isn't going to change anything, especially not in 6 months when we will be wearing ilvl 450.

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And as a reminder to everyone who cares about darkmoon, now is a good thing to buy all your quest items (and possibly more for easy gold in 3 days)

**Siniroth** · 2012-02-01 07:52

I already have the dagger and don't want/need the staff on my lock, so I rarely actually bother doing Madness in LFR, but the times I do, I roll on what I can and give them to people who skada shows paid attention to fight mechanics (If you're an arcane mage and did no damage to elementium bolts I'm sorry I have no pity that you 'need that weapon really badly man')

**Meresgi** · 2012-02-01 11:54

So best thing is just to have utter contempt for everyone in LFR and just roll along.

Or just ask if you can have the item. Sometimes it works. Had a DK tank last night in LFR on madness portion, he won the helmet even though he had the regular version and was DWing souldrinkers as a tank (o_O). On madness he won the souldrinker that dropped as well. I asked him if I could have the helm for my 2set bonus on my rogue and he just gave it to me since it was for his offspec, meanwhile the rest of the raid were flipping out that he had won a 3rd souldrinker. I'm sure had anyone asked nicely he would have given it to them. I mean it's a dick thing to do, but you never know, the guy might just be trolling the raid and will give the items out at the end.

**Jer** · 2012-02-01 12:51

I've lost caster stuff to melee dps before just because of the idiot way they do loot. Know it's happened to more than a few people on the same item, but Blizzard seems ok with it. One it happens a lot with is the caster shield from Warmaster. More than a few times a ret pld's won the roll.

**Kaylia** · 2012-02-01 14:18

Blizzard never said it was okay, they said it would be changed for pandarean even before we got LFR.

**Clash Perez** · 2012-02-01 15:20

I'm not terribly worried if people end up with loot that I wanted; what bugged me is that a full set of drops rotted. No one even had a chance to NPC it, let alone put it to good use. Poor mechanics, since the rolls happened after the dude had left the raid, and he still won it all.

I guess I'll go complain on the official forum.

**Jer** · 2012-02-01 17:49

Originally Posted by Kaylia

Blizzard never said it was okay, they said it would be changed for pandarean even before we got LFR.

That's my point really. They knew about it before it was implemented on live, but said we'd have to wait until the next expansion to have it fixed. Is it really that hard to go: This class can roll on it because they are dps. Can this use this item as dps? No? Ok then, no role bonus for you.

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I'm not terribly worried if people end up with loot that I wanted; what bugged me is that a full set of drops rotted. No one even had a chance to NPC it, let alone put it to good use. Poor mechanics, since the rolls happened after the dude had left the raid, and he still won it all.

I know what you mean. Luckily most of the time people just drop before they roll, so we just end up waiting an eternity for loot to distribute.

**Kaylia** · 2012-02-01 18:42

That's my point really. They knew about it before it was implemented on live, but said we'd have to wait until the next expansion to have it fixed. Is it really that hard to go: This class can roll on it because they are dps. Can this use this item as dps? No? Ok then, no role bonus for you

LFR Loot Rules
We know this information. The item designers have plenty of spreadsheets too. If you're saying creating said spreadsheet takes an equivalent amount of time as coding a system in the game whereby item distribution accounts for the spec you're fulfilling in a dungeon, you're wrong.

We're not that naive. We knew from the start of designing the Raid Finder system that we'd need to build a smarter loot distribution system to regulate fair play. It was also really important to us to get Raid Finder working and implemented with the Dragon Soul raid. We had to be realists about it.

The loot system will be improved in upcoming updates -- including in patch 4.3.2, where it'll no longer be possible to win two of the same item for a single boss kill. But we're really happy with the implementation of Raid Finder and feel it's a great new feature for the game, and one we'll continue refining over time.

Money isn't nearly the overarching, limiting factor people love to claim it is. And the common argument I see in response to the above quote is "hire more people then." But I think it's pretty easy to understand that looking for the perfect fit for a position is not always a quick process, nor is the training of new employees. This is particularly true when one is speaking about development studios generating creative media. Expertise, design philosophy, synergy, etc. are very important to the success of a project, not sheer headcount.

Our development teams are quite modest in size compared to a lot of studios, but it's because we genuinely feel it's not always good to have so many hands on a project. If that means we have to make tough decisions about how and when to release a product or feature, so be it.

You don't have to believe them, but they repeated the same excuse since LFR was introduced. The "loot distribution" system can't see people spec as it is, and the updated version (which mean coding, testing, debugging) won't be ready until panda.

In this case, I don't think it's a feature they delayed on purpose. They probably decided to release Raid finder earlier than they anticipated to keep people from quitting the game

**Meresgi** · 2012-02-01 21:27

You don't have to believe them, but they repeated the same excuse since LFR was introduced. The "loot distribution" system can't see people spec as it is, and the updated version (which mean coding, testing, debugging) won't be ready until panda.

Totally not unlike them to use this excuse lol. I'm sure it takes a lot of time though to make the system actually check a players spec, but I just like when they say "Wait till next expansion!"

**Kaylia** · 2012-02-01 23:01

I don't see why they would actually hold back a balance fix like this, but hey, if you want to believe in conspiracy, I can't stop you.

Obviously, it won't be ready exactly when panda release, but for something that involve loot, it might be a good idea to test it a few month before someone start duping shit and the like.

**Izzy** · 2012-02-02 09:39

Is anyone else getting serious random disconnects since the patch? I literally never DC'd before, now I constantly DC with the "You have been disconnected from the server" message. It happened 2 times during the last airship fight we did. Just doing my normal crap, then everything locks up for 2 seconds, then I'm at the login screen.

Happens with both the 32 and 64 bit clients.

**Mortilox** · 2012-02-02 15:18

Is anyone else getting serious random disconnects since the patch? I literally never DC'd before, now I constantly DC with the "You have been disconnected from the server" message. It happened 2 times during the last airship fight we did. Just doing my normal crap, then everything locks up for 2 seconds, then I'm at the login screen.

Getting it too. I just assume it's post-patch aftershock. Seems to have stopped now anyway, or at least slowed down.

**Guitarman** · 2012-02-02 21:06

Anyone done H gunship that can give some tips? 25 man preferably.

**Meresgi** · 2012-02-02 23:57

Thinking of trying UH from Frost. but not sure if going from DW heroic Morchok hands to raid finder Voice of Deeps would even be a net gain even though UH parses higher on most fights. Anyone have opinions? Fucking been 4 weeks w/o a regular Voice of Deeps dropping, and last one went to a tank for his offspec who never even uses it.

**Guitarman** · 2012-02-03 00:12

DW frost is the top spec again this tier, plus you're going to have a hell of a time making the switch. I've tried it and even with a perfect rotation my dps dropped by a third. don't do it unless your raid requires it.

**Meresgi** · 2012-02-03 01:22

Originally Posted by Guitarman

DW frost is the top spec again this tier, plus you're going to have a hell of a time making the switch. I've tried it and even with a perfect rotation my dps dropped by a third. don't do it unless your raid requires it.

Really? From all the sims/parses on EJ it always shows UH as on top

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/#c00

**Guitarman** · 2012-02-03 02:13

Current DPS rating by spec with ilvl 378 (normal tier) gear:
DW Frost >= 2H Unholy > 2H Frost

Current DPS rating by spec with ilvl 391 (heroic tier) gear:
DW Frost >= 2H Unholy > 2H Frost

From the OP of the frost thread on EJ. I mean go ahead try it if you have the itch, I did. I just think you'll be sorely disappointed. It's just a clunky and weird dps priority.

**The Stig** · 2012-02-03 04:46

I dislike unholy, the pet's micro management is slightly irritating, and the clunky priority comes from the fact your blood runes must be paired with a frost rune ideally to Fester Strike.

I experienced it slightly with T13x2 set, which eased it up slightly, but still a bit annoying.

When the right things happen as Frost, it's all smooth and fun.

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