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    Switch to blood asap so you can get experienced with it. Don't worry, you don't need tons of arpen to do it well; I was outdamaging unholy DKs long before I stacked a decent amount of arpen (though my current arpen isnt amazing.)

    Khelek is also mistaken; the theorized 6200 ap inflection point is to make Arpen > STR, not Arpen > AP. This would make Arpen the most valuable stat you can find on gear for Blood.

    Also: Try for Mjolnir Runestone over Grim Toll. They're both great but hit is so damn easy to cap.
    alright thank you very much for that. i was really concerned my dps would suffer horribly by not switching with a megaton of arpen.

    The only reason im going for grim toll, is i'm joining another guild in their naxx 25s, and my guild is far from being able to handle thorim hard mode for the runestone, or yeah i'd absolutely go for it. At least i can switch later.

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    Remember that Runestone actually gives 665 ArP when you're going for the soft cap.

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    Whats the difference between a MM and SV hunter in terms of playstyle? I know that MM is more ArP oriented.

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    Does anyone actually DO the damage their spreadsheet says they can do. I would imagine the spreadsheet assumes perfect timing but I haven't really come that close to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blarg View Post
    Does anyone actually DO the damage their spreadsheet says they can do. I would imagine the spreadsheet assumes perfect timing but I haven't really come that close to it.
    I'm using one, its pretty far off, even if I got perfect conditions (all buffs, food +flask standing still doing rotation) and I raid (with fraps off) 40-70fps at 14-26ms

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    Well my spreadsheet says I can do 4800~ dps which seems high to me for being mostly bg honor gear and AH/quest epics but I only did like 3000. I haven't done much raiding before so I should get better as I get more experience with rotations and whatnot. None of the fights where complete stand still and atk but they had a bit of running in and out (I'm a rogue) It's also likely that the pug raid I was in didn't come with all the buffs I would normally get but I had basics like kings and might and whatever gave me like 8-10% more crit rate.

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    Your spreadsheet takes into consideration a certain amount of length fight, X seconds, over that and dps is off, under that and dps is off. It also takes into effect perfect raid setup perfect buffs, heroism used, possibly you being tott'd. Lots of things.

    You can disable most of those things but, try doing a <2-3min patchwerk and you should see about the dps your spreadsheet says.

    Mine both say around 6600combat and 7300mute, some fights I do more, some fights I do less. The one that says mute that high is wrong, since my other mute spreadsheet (yes i use 3 spreadsheets lol) says 6800 which is more realistic and I like better since it means I can go combat without a dps loss lol... and with my current gear setup (4/5conq with 239chest) I have no expertise so going combat saves me money on gems.

    We do HM's in 25man uld only, and I'm looking at some fights being 5k, 4k, some 8k, some 15k GOGO RNG ON HODIR...

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    Yeah my spreadsheets don't really seem to be overly accurate for me either. Having said that in Thorim hard the other day my recount was showing me at 3800dps (wtf?!) from gauntlet>main room but world of logs was showing me as closer to 5k so I have no idea anymore.

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    They have different tolerances for detecting intervals in which you are not dpsing and eliminating them from your overall "dps" number. Recount may not even take into consideration these downtimes by the looks of it.

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    Yeah recount is realtime for as long as you're in combat, most reporting tools only compile your activity for your dps, and runs that against the overall combat time to find your 'uptime'.

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    Does anybody know a place with a guide to pvp resto druid, or could anyone give any tips? I know that for some reason resto's gem a little bit of spell penetration etc, but have no idea why. I could really use something with the fundamentals to more advanced style tips on gear choices, talent specs and strats if possible

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    I think you're mistaken on spellpen a bit. I would gem/itemize for at least 3% hit so you land cyclones and Entangling roots. Not sure what races get +nature resist. You need 7% to hit cap ret paladins but I wouldn't go that far.

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    Many resto druids I've armoried with resto druids have at least 1 or two spell pen gems.

    The World of Warcraft Armory 2 gems

    The World of Warcraft Armory cape enchant for +35,

    The World of Warcraft Armory another with cape enchant for +35

    Has to be something behind it. these guys are all 2600 +

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    Hit doesn't overcome resistances afaik, spellpen does. If you fight a pally, druid, shaman, priest, or lock, you're coming up against one or more resistance schools.

    And if hit does overcome resistances, spellpen does it cheaper per point.

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    Hit only overcomes miss. 3% for same level targets, additional 2% for race-related (for nature: BE, NE, and Tauren)

    Add mages to the list, 80 resist is common in pvp spec, 120 if using mage armor as well.

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    Yep, spellpen is to counteract nature resistance on cyclone. The offhand + the cape enchant is 90. In particular, there's no other good enchants for the cape.

    MotW is 75 nature resistance. NR totem is 130 but nobody uses that. Mage armor is what, 40? So a maximum of 115 Spellpen to reduce enemy resistance to 0.

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    It's for MoTW.

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    Thanks for the replies

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    additional 2% for race-related (for nature: BE, NE, and Tauren)
    These may not be overcame by hit.

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    Gave my sister my druid so it's time for a new 80 lol.

    Think i'm gonna go with DK, got a 68hunter on another account, and my warrior is 44 but right now it doesnt seem warrior is too great.

    Is blood or unholy the best spec for leveling? I'm only 56 right now so yeah. Wowwiki says to use this spec Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft any one leveled or leveling a dk recently or currently can give advice? I'd like to get as many levels in as I can before 3.2 (prob 70's lol)

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