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[Tricen]

Alright dilemma: The World of Warcraft Armory is my gear. How important is 4set bonus, I haven't really number crunched but I don't really like using diseases for some reason. I much prefer DS DS HS HS and then HSx6 as a rotation with death coils etc. I want to change the legs out for Clockwork Legplates - Item - World of Warcraft but I'd lose my 4set. Is 4set worth it and am I doing it horribly wrong by not wanting to use diseases?

[Norellicus]

You're giving up a 20% damage increase on your focus attacks (HS/Ob/SS depending on build) by not using diseases, not counting the disease itself. The self heals on the occasional DS are nice for raid damage, especially with Abomination's Might to buff the raid (assuming you don't have an overlapping buff running already, TSA or such); but you only need to use it once every runic dump, especially since its an FU ability.

Also, Glyph of DRW but no DRW talent taken? You also have two points in a talent that increases disease uptime but don't use diseases?

[Tricen]

Eh, I'm giving up 2 runes for 2 things that don't really hit that hard and the DoT is decent or maybe I just keep eyeballing it and it just doesn't look good, for a hard hitting melee attack. Idk, I've come out decently on recount with what I do, I just just parse it or something. The BiS thread from EJ doesn't have 4set being used, and I have a good chunk of the moderate BiS gear.

[Norellicus]

I'm not saying urdoinitwrong, I don't know the advanced math, especially on a DK...just offering my observation of your position; given how much HS is in a usual rotation, it seems like a huge dps loss to drop 20% of each HS off because of the diseases (and if you use a http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45805 it's only one blood rune after the initial application for the duration of the fight anyhow).

Not every tier 4p is worth gunning for, especially in the face of other pieces that may be better budgeted, so you're better off looking to EJ or some deeper math heads for that advice.

Should definitely check those talents though if you're going to stick to your guns, it's kind of contradictory and a waste of points/glyphs as is :X

[Tricen]

I keep forgetting to put my last talent point in DRW. I thought they gimped it pretty bad in the update, but I guess its still ok. But yeah, I just cookie cuttered my spec from EJ, so that's why it sounds contradictory.

[Norellicus]

If you're going to keep your strategy as is, move one point to Morbidity for your Death Coils and move the other to IBP for raid heals, you don't need Epidemic at all to get to Blood Caked Blade (which is another place where you're losing on other diseases, mind you) as things are.

[Tricen]

Yeah, I should make sure I'm not being dumb about it though.

[Khelek]

Go get Rawr and play around with the different playstyles if you want to see what works best in theory.

[Xellos]

You should be using diseases as a DK. The only time you shouldn't is on mobs that die quickly e.g. arena adds in 10 man Thorim. I can't see your armory atm, but it's probably a safe bet to ditch tier8 for Clockwork if you're blood.

[Blackice]

I'm not saying urdoinitwrong, I don't know the advanced math, especially on a DK...just offering my observation of your position; given how much HS is in a usual rotation, it seems like a huge dps loss to drop 20% of each HS off because of the diseases (and if you use a Glyph of Disease - Item - World of Warcraft it's only one blood rune after the initial application for the duration of the fight anyhow).

Not every tier 4p is worth gunning for, especially in the face of other pieces that may be better budgeted, so you're better off looking to EJ or some deeper math heads for that advice.

Should definitely check those talents though if you're going to stick to your guns, it's kind of contradictory and a waste of points/glyphs as is :X

It's not a solid 20% addition to strike damage. It's 20% of the additional 20% you get with both diseases, meaning 4% damage added to your HS. Rather insignificant really.

[Tricen]

Alright cool, I guess I'm scrappin my 4set then lol. Now I just need less bad hands and shoulders -_-

[Norellicus]

It's not a solid 20% addition to strike damage. It's 20% of the additional 20% you get with both diseases, meaning 4% damage added to your HS. Rather insignificant really.

I was referring to the 20% from the diseases, I don't even know what the 4p is on DK battlegear.

[sb]

10 man heroic/25 man heroic confuses me.

Are they calibrated the same? I guess what I'm asking is:

are 10/25 now the same difficulty adjusted for player number?
will they drop similarly rated loot?

Can anyone explain in a way that is not as vague as the patch notes or wowwiki.

[Tricen]

10man can be a little tough since you have to have less people to mess up than 25man. I'd say the 10man is harder

[Jintu]

this goes to all the rogues here, has anyone gotten the new EJ combat ss to work? It's out here: Combat (3.2) and Mutilate (3.1) Spreadsheets - Elitist Jerks and for some reason the optimal column for enchants/gems keeps returning "The formula in this cell differs from the formulas in this area of the ss" I would ask about it on the forum but last time i got an infraction for simply asking a question so screw them :D

[Rama]

With mana gem being un-coupled from Healthstone CD(and a myriad other items as well), [item=22788]Flame cap[/item] is now a great little treat for my fire mage.

I went out to Zangarmarsh on my shaman to farm some up, and spent enough time there to acquire 125 Ragveil, 75 Felweed, and ~30 each of Golden sansam, Dreamfoil, and Blindweed.

I ended up with 4 Flame caps.

Anyone happen to farm for these in BC and have advice? Did I just get RNG-shafted on spawns, or would it really take a lunatic's dedication to get enough to viably raid with? I know that they are a rare spawn of Ragveil, but this rarity is far beyond being worthwhile for me to persue.

[Resin]

Neither of the Trial of the Crusader raids have heroic versions yet, right? Is there an ETA?

[Guitarman]

heroic versions are after all the bosses are released, so at least 3 weeks. Just off top of my head there's twin vyrkul, faction champions and black knight fights left to be released.

[Correction]

this goes to all the rogues here, has anyone gotten the new EJ combat ss to work? It's out here: Combat (3.2) and Mutilate (3.1) Spreadsheets - Elitist Jerks and for some reason the optimal column for enchants/gems keeps returning "The formula in this cell differs from the formulas in this area of the ss" I would ask about it on the forum but last time i got an infraction for simply asking a question so screw them :D

Aldriana's spreadsheets are fucking useless unless you're a JC/skinner/NE Rogue with perfect gear.

I wish I was kidding.

[Keria]

atm I'm wondering if I should break 2pc t7 bonus on mage to use t8.5 body (using t7 body from emblems, t7.5 shoulders, t8 legs and t8.5 head)

specced fireball/arcane atm but will probably go back to 57/3/11 after 3.2.2 since I'm lacking some hit gear like dying curse... if that helps