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[Tyche]

Terribly guilty. Oh, here's my baby.

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Sorry, had to take a pic of a picture off the wall. Formatted my PC and lost a ton of pictures =/

I've heard my cousin say "could they set our race back any further" when there's a news story about black people doing stupid shit in the news. Guess that she's racist too.

[Kohan]

The problem with these statements is their involving skin color. Stupid people are stupid people. It doesn't matter if they're black or white or purple. Do I think it's hilarious when Chris Rock separates black people from niggers? Yeah, because I can't stand rampant political correctness. Plus, I understand the point he makes. Does that mean I'm going to go around saying black people in general are dumb fucks? Of course not, because that in of itself is a stupid statement.

Deep south rednecks can be some of the dumbest creatures on the planet, but just because I'm white doesn't mean I'm going to say all of the white people are shamed by them.

[Jefe]

Are you dense? If you live with cambodians for 7 years of your life, guess what, you have enough knowledge of that culture to have an opinion of that culture. There was a black guy here (maybe Mizango) who said they refused to go to theaters with black people because of it. Having black family members doesn't give you a free pass, but it gives you perspective you otherwise wouldn't have.

Nah, not about the culture, but that specific group of people you hung for x number of years.

[Tyche]

Nah, not about the culture, but that specific group of people you hung for x number of years.

If individual people didn't reflect their culture, cultures would be non-existant. This goes without saying that not every asian will act asian, not every hispanic will act hispanic, etc and so on.

[Kohan]

But if you can say that, then you admit that the people you were with are not necessarily accurate depictions of their culture. Many people within the United States specifically have lost most ties with their ancestors' identities and are just North Americans, which is fine, but also means they're just North Americans -- products of their environment regardless of race, normally affected by mediocre education (or a complete lack of it), poverty (which isn't as easy to escape as "they just have to work harder"), and other issues, including prejudice.

Nah, not about the culture, but that specific group of people you hung for x number of years.

Precisely. Although I lived in Southern Florida, and knew many Cubans, I wouldn't say I'm familiar with their culture (aside from various historical facts I've learned over the years, usually not from actual Cubans). A good friend of mine was Haitian, but I wouldn't say I could form a valid opinion on their entire way of life. My step-mother may be Puerto Rican, but I won't pass judgment on the history of her people with what I've learned from her (as if I would at all).

What about soldiers who have served in wars and, as a result, lived in foreign cities for years? Many of them leave not knowing much more about it. What about businessmen who frequently travel abroad? Some of them know multiple languages, a lot don't. Exposure is not enough to permit judgment on a culture, as that requires research and relying on much more than mere word of mouth.

The amusing thing is that I can't stand political correctness, but a peeve of mine is this aspect of discussion that's oft shrugged off as being PC -- the difference between fearlessly talking about races and cultures in general, and passing off generalizations as legitimate fact. A limited sample of experiences should not be applied to an entire group of people. You want to slap it on some of the locals you've had experience with? Okay, fine. You want to say every neighborhood with similar people in it (selectively connected by perhaps only one or two facts, such as skin color) throughout the country, if not the world, is the same? No, that's not fine.

[Tyche]

But if you can say that, then you admit that the people you were with are not necessarily accurate depictions of their culture. Many people within the United States specifically have lost most ties with their ancestors' identities and are just North Americans, which is fine, but also means they're just North Americans -- products of their environment regardless of race, normally affected by mediocre education (or a complete lack of it), poverty (which isn't as easy to escape as "they just have to work harder"), and other issues, including prejudice.



Precisely. Although I lived in Southern Florida, and knew many Cubans, I wouldn't say I'm familiar with their culture (aside from various historical facts I've learned over the years, usually not from actual Cubans). A good friend of mine was Haitian, but I wouldn't say I could form a valid opinion on their entire way of life. My step-mother may be Puerto Rican, but I won't pass judgment on the history of her people with what I've learned from her (as if I would at all).

What about soldiers who have served in wars and, as a result, lived in foreign cities for years? Many of them leave not knowing much more about it. What about businessmen who frequently travel abroad? Some of them know multiple languages, a lot don't. Exposure is not enough to permit judgment on a culture, as that requires research and relying on much more than mere word of mouth.

The amusing thing is that I can't stand political correctness, but a peeve of mine is this aspect of discussion that's oft shrugged off as being PC -- the difference between fearlessly talking about races and cultures in general, and passing off generalizations as legitimate fact. A limited sample of experiences should not be applied to an entire group of people. You want to slap it on some of the locals you've had experience with? Okay, fine. You want to say every neighborhood with similar people in it (selectively connected by perhaps only one or two facts, such as skin color) throughout the country, if not the world, is the same? No, that's not fine.

I wasn't passing it off as fact, you can't say that "rednecks are dumb" or "People from Boston are pompous" and claim it as fact. What I said is that stereotypes usually have some legitimacy. The example I provided isn't condensed to locals, it's a national stereotype that is backed up by even black people on these forums. If the stereotypes weren't real issues, black people wouldn't constantly be preaching to the younger generation to avoid putting themselves in those pitfalls.

[Jefe]

If individual people didn't reflect their culture, cultures would be non-existant. This goes without saying that not every asian will act asian, not every hispanic will act hispanic, etc and so on.

That's fine and dandy, we ain't debating whether people "reflect" or not their culture. What I'm questioning however, is your broad generalizations about an ethnicity based solely on anecdotes you supposedly had w/ x number of people for y amount of time.

Come on, Tyche, you don't see the fallacy from a mile away?

That doesn't make you racist, just illogical. However, a racist is illogical ;x

[Tyche]

That's fine and dandy, we ain't debating whether people "reflect" or not their culture. What I'm questioning however, is your broad generalizations about an ethnicity based solely on anecdotes you supposedly had w/ x number of people for y amount of time.

Come on, Tyche, you don't see the fallacy from a mile away?

No no, I didn't develop my opinion based on my family. The point I was making by saying that was to debunk Rhinox's crazy internet rules that if you bring up an extended knowledge of something, you lose the argument by claiming that. I don't have to know any black people to understand the stereotypes. I made the "cambodian" analogy because of those crazy internet argument rules that Rhinox had told me about (hey, I never knew!). The reason I brought up my family in the first post was because people were saying it was bigotry for pointing out stereotypes, which isn't the case at all. There are negative stereotypes with every race/group/class, and I was just trying to say that most have a grain of truth...that doesn't make you a bigot.

[Weltall]

Stereotypes absolutely have some fine lining of legitimacy; there is a reason they got started in the first place.

[Charla]

Guys, guys, guys. If you want to say stuff like this without looking racist, just get someone else to say it for you. (semi-relevant line at 0:43!)

[Kohan]

Stereotypes absolutely have some fine lining of legitimacy; there is a reason they got started in the first place.

Honestly, I don't have nearly as much of an issue with Tyche as I do with you. You're his parrot, and you yourself cannot argue against any of the points presented to you. You're the one who's making the worse sweeping generalizations (and Tyche is somewhat undeservingly getting lumped in with you). You're the one who said you'd move to a "nice neighborhood," specifically equating "nice neighborhood" with "no black people neighborhood."

As said earlier, you're an idiot who operates strictly on opinion and who clearly ignores facts. You don't make counterarguments, you strictly wait for Tyche to post and then say "yeah, yeah!". Even though stereotypes obviously do have a basis in reality, your head appears to be far detached from that, probably up in the clouds.

[Maguspk]

Holy shit this thread is disturbing, kind of disappointed I couldn't get in on this earlier but I'll chime in with a well deserved, "You're a fucking retard Welltall." Jesus Christ, you make me feel bad for how ignorant people can be.

[BRP]

Don't hate black people.

Hate poor people.

Black people just happen to be poor!

[Correction]

Neighborhoods without any poor, black people in them are pretty nice!

[Weltall]

Honestly, I don't have nearly as much of an issue with Tyche as I do with you. You're his parrot, and you yourself cannot argue against any of the points presented to you. You're the one who's making the worse sweeping generalizations (and Tyche is somewhat undeservingly getting lumped in with you). You're the one who said you'd move to a "nice neighborhood," specifically equating "nice neighborhood" with "no black people neighborhood."

As said earlier, you're an idiot who operates strictly on opinion and who clearly ignores facts. You don't make counterarguments, you strictly wait for Tyche to post and then say "yeah, yeah!". Even though stereotypes obviously do have a basis in reality, your head appears to be far detached from that, probably up in the clouds.

How can I be a parrot when it was I who started the whole topic?

What the fuck counterargument do you want me to make? I absolutely agree it is due to poor living conditions and a lack of education. Where did I say I didn't believe this? Like someone else said, it just happens a lot of blacks/mexicans/whatever grow up in the US in these poor conditions with inferior school systems.

Also, I just paid a black dentist $4,990 for my veneer work, but apparently I am not allowed to mention this; I am also not allowed to mention one of my best friends since highschool, and who was in the living room watching football while I typed most of this, is black. Oops. Now my opinion is discarded, right? Yes, I know that many "nice neighborhoods" contain black families.

Edit- I've heard him say "nigger" more times than he has ever heard me say "nigger", which is 0. He said it in a racist tone as well, not as a joke.

[Charla]

What the fuck counterargument do you want me to make?

Personally, I would suggest just mentioning that Chris Rock said so too, and letting everyone else try to argue that doesn't count because he's just doing comedy.

That's always fun.

[gandorf]

I like how everyone always has that "My best friend from so and so is black so its okay for me to say stupid shit about black people"

[Rhinox]

Personally, I would suggest just mentioning that Chris Rock said so too, and letting everyone else try to argue that doesn't count because he's just doing comedy.

That's always fun.

I'd love for you to laugh a little bit too hard in a room full of black people and lets see what happens.

I guess you learned nothing from Dave Chappelle.

[Cream Soda]

i got my first mp3 player for 30 bucks. /toss CD player: O
It was usually $120 and on sale for $50. I won $20 in line at 4am in a game of cards, so only used 30 of my own dollars.

[fantasticdan]

Don't hate black people.

Hate poor people.

Black people just happen to be poor!

What about the black people that aren't poor, but stereotype themselves into the same role anyway?