ZNM Developer Interview (Vana'diel Tsuushin)

[Lordwafik]

When we fought AV I tried zooming into the chatlog but then my nose smashed into my monitor and I got a nosebleed.

Do I sue SE? y/y

[The Blackrose]

Clearly none of those are the answers. Did you try y?

[Ahlah]

And you wonder why people think you're a retarded, oblivious mouthbreather.

"HAY GUYZ, DID YOU TRY..."

No, we didn't try this in the million previous threads concerning AV after many jokes involving melee RDM with staves, camera zoom and other ridiculous crap. NEWS FLASH: This is the reason AV threads are always locked. Stupid retarded shit like this.

May be you have problem understanding simple logic? Check my post again I didn't suggest any ambiguous strategy to try to lock AV 2hr.

You will be a complete retard to think that Koenig PLD swinging Earth staves in SE video has anything to do with AV's 2hr. Their strategies to survive AV's brutal attacks rely on massive healing power and bouncing hate between the 4 tanks. What we don't know is why the players spam 2hr when AV uses one.

Before SE changed AV spawn condition ppl complain they didn't get the chance to fight AV often enough to test their strategies.Here you go 100% spawn rate and most LS still give up after first few attempts. It's up to the LS leader to decide whether their LS should fight AV, but saying that AV is unbeatable because ppl don't want to keep trying is pure ignorance.

[Spira]

somehow people feel that as long as they kill AV or PW, SE will change it so that they wont be able to kill it the same way anymore..
i dont think this is the case.. after all it seems like all 3 previous strategies for killing AV relied on it glitching to some extent.. even though they still took alot of effort and were 'legit' kills, it wasn't the way SE wanted.
They want players to kill him by solving the gimmick instead of any other way.. and in order to force people to do it, they have to make all the other 'shortcut' methods non-viable..

I think the same goes with PW, just that nobody has really been trying different techniques with PW, or even been able to kill him yet. I still believe hes gotta have a gimmick.. hes too complicated a mob to not have one.. dont u think?

the other thing i dont understand is why they have to lower ZNM t4 trophy drops to anything less than 100%. Sure, they're needed for Mythic Weapons, but they have to consider the fact that it still takes some degree of effort to get to each tier 4, and that people still wanna do PW.. and that not everyone gives a shit about Mythic Weapon.. and that all the previous requirements are more than enough already. its harder than Relic as it is.. why stretch it out even more?

[Kaslo]

somehow people feel that as long as they kill AV or PW, SE will change it so that they wont be able to kill it the same way anymore..
i dont think this is the case.. after all it seems like all 3 previous strategies for killing AV relied on it glitching to some extent.. even though they still took alot of effort and were 'legit' kills, it wasn't the way SE wanted.
They want players to kill him by solving the gimmick instead of any other way.. and in order to force people to do it, they have to make all the other 'shortcut' methods non-viable..

I think the same goes with PW, just that nobody has really been trying different techniques with PW, or even been able to kill him yet. I still believe hes gotta have a gimmick.. hes too complicated a mob to not have one.. dont u think?

the other thing i dont understand is why they have to lower ZNM t4 trophy drops to anything less than 100%. Sure, they're needed for Mythic Weapons, but they have to consider the fact that it still takes some degree of effort to get to each tier 4, and that people still wanna do PW.. and that not everyone gives a shit about Mythic Weapon.. and that all the previous requirements are more than enough already. its harder than Relic as it is.. why stretch it out even more?

The last kill wasn't by a glitch, it was by over using powerful game mechanics

[The Blackrose]

*snip*

My point went so far over your head, I might as well be an airplane passing over at cruising altitude. Here's your complimentary "Whooooooosh." Now lets break down your post so we can continue this little kickball session with a dead horse.

May be you have problem understanding simple logic? Check my post again I didn't suggest any ambiguous strategy to try to lock AV 2hr.

I do not mean to derail, has any linkshell actually attempted AV fight using the method demonstrated in SE developer's video post patch? Until ppl actually figure out the 2hr trick it's probably unfair to say AV is unbeatable.

Gee, recommending ambiguous strategies? Is that what you're backpedaling to now? Never mind that I addressed the fact that

a.) nothing you contributed was original and
b.) holy jumping Jesus Christ on a goddamn pogo stick, someone has already tried it before and posted the results.

And now you want to come in here and spout off your inane bullshit and try to derail this topic? Captain Picard, take it for me:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/3...dbf1ef3e92.jpg

You will be a complete retard to think that Koenig PLD swinging Earth staves in SE video has anything to do with AV's 2hr. Their strategies to survive AV's brutal attacks rely on massive healing power and bouncing hate between the 4 tanks. What we don't know is why the players spam 2hr when AV uses one.

Congratulations, you know how to stretch shit so far to fit your convoluted arguments that Stretch Armstrong bows to your amazing achievements. How does this:

No, we didn't try this in the million previous threads concerning AV after many jokes involving melee RDM with staves, camera zoom and other ridiculous crap.

becomes actual strategical analysis? Not to mention, once again, it plays back into points 1 and 2 in the first section. But no, Mr. Self-Important Douchebag has to try to make some sort of futile effort to jump completely into left field, only to grasp at straws.

For someone who likes to open with a crack on logic, your analytical abilities suck more dick than a porn star in a bukkake session. But every thread needs a peabrained retard to spout off inane shit, so here's your village idiot crown and drool pan. Keep it up.

[bombard]

Hey Sone, maybe it was your attack on someone who was asking a question, yanno, that awesome e-superiority complex you've developed quite annoyingly over the years, on someone who was just asking a question. Then again I wouldn't expect anything less from someone who used to cry when he got made fun of on the internets himself. Stop pretending to be better than other people when you know something they don't, find an obscure grammar error, etc. You're far from the e-thug you try to make yourself out to be and it cracks me up everytime I see you degrade people. Oh and your constant analogies put the most analogy filled episode of Family Guy to shame. It's really annoying, trust me. You aren't funny.


Anyway -- I know alot of people who just kill JoL and mess around with AV for awhile to have fun. There are people who need to kill/loot/riot/revolt etc to make it feel like they've accomplished something, and there are those who really could give 18 flying F's about AV. We all know what AV drops, his mystery of killing is a crapshoot.

We all know PW is a pain in the ass to get pops for, and the few fights that have been done, have been very detailed and lots of progress has been made. I'd say PW is going to be figured out before AV ever is, personally. PW fights are (and will be) more seldom than AV fights, so they are being documented, critiqued, livestreamed, and all the sorts, and it seems that PW is alot more manageable than AV.

All of you who go to fanfests just to bitch about a tiny portion of the game they don't like amaze me. It's a friggin fan-fest. Go, have fun, drink some beers, hang out with your FFXI buds, and be glad SE actually cares enough about it's NA playerbase to hold one in the USA. Stop asking the same, dated questions about Kings/AV/etc.

I think they've realized many players have problems with these (after how many gripes/bitches/complaints), but they either don't care, don't have time to figure out alternatives at the present time, or have something else planned for the future. Is it really that hard for some to just have some fun?

oh, lol ...

Mr. Self-Important Douchebag

. LoL.

[Shini]

Hey Sone, maybe it was your attack on someone who was asking a question, yanno, that awesome e-superiority complex you've developed quite annoyingly over the years, on someone who was just asking a question. Then again I wouldn't expect anything less from someone who used to cry when he got made fun of on the internets himself. Stop pretending to be better than other people when you know something they don't, find an obscure grammar error, etc. You're far from the e-thug you try to make yourself out to be and it cracks me up everytime I see you degrade people. Oh and your constant analogies put the most analogy filled episode of Family Guy to shame. It's really annoying, trust me. You aren't funny.


Anyway -- I know alot of people who just kill JoL and mess around with AV for awhile to have fun. There are people who need to kill/loot/riot/revolt etc to make it feel like they've accomplished something, and there are those who really could give 18 flying F's about AV. We all know what AV drops, his mystery of killing is a crapshoot.

We all know PW is a pain in the ass to get pops for, and the few fights that have been done, have been very detailed and lots of progress has been made. I'd say PW is going to be figured out before AV ever is, personally. PW fights are (and will be) more seldom than AV fights, so they are being documented, critiqued, livestreamed, and all the sorts, and it seems that PW is alot more manageable than AV.

All of you who go to fanfests just to bitch about a tiny portion of the game they don't like amaze me. It's a friggin fan-fest. Go, have fun, drink some beers, hang out with your FFXI buds, and be glad SE actually cares enough about it's NA playerbase to hold one in the USA. Stop asking the same, dated questions about Kings/AV/etc.

I think they've realized many players have problems with these (after how many gripes/bitches/complaints), but they either don't care, don't have time to figure out alternatives at the present time, or have something else planned for the future. Is it really that hard for some to just have some fun?

oh, lol ... . LoL.

Ok. You're one to talk. You'd go in an emo-dust cloud when you didn't get your way then quit the game. Only to come back and do it again. Then again. And again. Novio Earring anyone? That certainly was quite the emo fest behind THAT thing.

Heh, I'm one to talk too. But still, far be it for you to call Sone out on the internets, when you usually started some pretty good e-thug threads yourself.

Now, back to Fafnuts & ToDII.

[The Blackrose]

Then again I wouldn't expect anything less from someone who used to cry when he got made fun of on the internets himself.

Says the person who had to bitch and moan to the person who owned the website to the point where she gave you administrative access to the forums so you would finally shut up.

Or how about you stamping your feet and ranted about how it was my fault that a linkshell member's Kraken Club was compromised when he was inexplicably moved to Valefor? Simply because I worked with Taj on the BG Wiki? And you wonder where my high-handed manner comes from: I had to deal with people such as you.

I may not be the shining example of perfection. Hell, I'm nowhere close. But for you of all people to come here and try to start something? LOL indeed.

[Wulfgang]

Back on the zeni topic, I would really love it if you could talk to Ryo to get an idea of what % Sanraku's plate quota is at. Last night I log and check Ryo; Sanraku wants Elementals, namely Fire ones. So I head up to sky with a boxed character and take ~70 pictures only to come back and Sanraku now wants Crawlers.

Enjoy the ZNM system very much, but this happens to me all the time and annoys the shit out of me.

[Kaslo]

Says the person who had to bitch and moan to the person who owned the website to the point where she gave you administrative access to the forums so you would finally shut up.

Or how about you stamping your feet and ranted about how it was my fault that a linkshell member's Kraken Club was compromised when he was inexplicably moved to Valefor? Simply because I worked with Taj on the BG Wiki? And you wonder where my high-handed manner comes from: I had to deal with people such as you.

I may not be the shining example of perfection. Hell, I'm nowhere close. But for you of all people to come here and try to start something? LOL indeed.

and people like me

but in seriousness can we get away from Flipside drama >.>; I mean I don't even get into it with Sone anymore and I was probably the worst

[Shini]

and people like me

but in seriousness can we get away from Flipside drama >.>; I mean I don't even get into it with Sone anymore and I was probably the worst

Never !!

... >.>;

[Ahlah]

One of the few good things I have learned from this game is that you can never reason with ppl who only have IQ of 50.

Read my posts again Blackrose. Was referring to AV vs PW discussion when I mentioned SE developer's video. I never say there is a hidden gimmick in SE's video that has yet to be picked up by normal players. What we don't understand is why they spam 2hr. So tell me how many linkshells have set out to discover the effect of 2hr spam on AV behaviour? How many of them have actually tested it on more than 5 separate occasions? Post-patch, all you need to do is at least bring a good tank party to keep AV busy while your alliance try to figure its secret out. You don't honestly think they will last long enough to come to any useful conclusion with 2 PLD/RDM tanks do you? What's there to lose other than few hundred exp points if a LS wipe to AV, with a small chance to discover a legit way to defeat AV?

As for PW, many linkshells don't even have enough members to get to the last form. You can't really blame them for not popping PW because if they fail all the efforts to gather T4 trophies are wasted.

Apparently it's too hard for you to understand simple logic.

[Melios]

All of you who go to fanfests just to bitch about a tiny portion of the game they don't like amaze me. It's a friggin fan-fest. Go, have fun, drink some beers, hang out with your FFXI buds, and be glad SE actually cares enough about it's NA playerbase to hold one in the USA. Stop asking the same, dated questions about Kings/AV/etc.

Their priorities are too screwed up.

[The Blackrose]

Apparently it's too hard for you to understand simple logic.

Linkshells have gone out and replicated the SE video. They have tried the conditions that were set forth, along with whatever speculation came with it. They tried when the video was released. They tried when the AV nerf came. Then came the Krakenzerg bandwagon because people were sick of trying every trick in the book both in relation to rampant speculation on these very forums and something shot straight out of a 4Chan meme.

Better yet, since you're so big on your little thing about testing, get your linkshell together, go get a Jailer of Love pop set and go try your little tests that chances are have already been conducted by other linkshells and documented either in livejournals or in the forum system. You want to play the logic card? How about putting your money where your mouth is.

At least progress has been made in the PW department. AV's been a cold fish since god knows when.

[Ahlah]

Linkshells have gone out and replicated the SE video. They have tried the conditions that were set forth, along with whatever speculation came with it. They tried when the video was released. They tried when the AV nerf came. Then came the Krakenzerg bandwagon because people were sick of trying every trick in the book both in relation to rampant speculation on these very forums and something shot straight out of a 4Chan meme.

I could have missed something but as far as I know, no1 has actually carried out extensive testing on 2hr spam theory. Some linkshells tried and gave up after several attempts. Most ppl just disprove it because "other linkshells" have fought AV using the method described in SE's video.

This reminds me of Zhayolm Remnant, before the spawn conditions of 5f/6f madame were discovered, some salvage groups occasionally ran into them and didn't understand why. It took months for tehm to confirm madame spawn conditions. At least with AV, we know where to start looking, some linkshells already reported some odd AV behaviours associated with 2hr spam.

I quit endgame few months ago because of limited playtime and rl issues. That's why I don't even bother to post in any of the AV discussion threads. I only brought up the topic now because some ppl claimed that AV's is unbeatable when the fact is we simply don't understand one of the most important hints and it doesn't really require a lot effort to test it in AV fight, compared to PW which requires 3 rare T4 trophies and sufficient number of players take it down to the last form. If a LS decides not to fight AV it's entirely their choice, but saying that AV is unbeatable because of several fail attempts (esp. post patch) is pure ignorance.

[chazzyphizzle]

Just stop talking...please.

[Ahlah]

I am sorry it's too complicated for your level, go to special school you Mr IQ 50 no2.

[Mojo]

It was never thoroughly investigated. I had a logical and workable method to approach and possibly solve it, and at one point tried to get the ball rolling, but people were more eager to focus on crackpot theories and the like.

Honestly though, that makes it seem much simpler than it actually is. Holding AV without dealing damage is extremely challenging in itself, anybody who thinks otherwise does not know what the fuck they are talking about. This is the primary reason that AV is still unsolved. Even with a good method, it's unlikely that your linkshell is adequately prepared to accomplish said agenda, and even if they were, it's not a very fun thing to do with your Saturday afternoon. It would also take the cooperation of many linkshells, unless someone got really lucky.

Most people, myself included, are at this point content with not giving a fuck about it anymore. It was a poorly planned mob with overwhelmingly gay playerbase expectations. What the hint they gave suggests, which is that following AV's two hour abilities with your own has something to do with it, is so fucking arbitrary that nobody would ever have had a fighting chance at solving it without said hint. They honestly thought that somebody would figure it out before they gave that hint, which just goes to show how awfully deluded whoever plans this shit out really is.

Either way, unless people start caring again and are willing to ignore any random crackpot theories that come along and focus solely on the hint SE gave us, it's unlikely that AV will ever be solved. This will never happen. AV will always be a mystery, nobody will ever kill it again unless SE outright tells everybody how to do it.

[Ahlah]

FInally some intelligent thoughts.