ZNM Developer Interview (Vana'diel Tsuushin)

[Ahlah]

Listen, many people have tried exactly what you are proposing. Many. Nothing earth shattering happened when players two houred at the same time as AV. Some thought nothing at all happened, but there has been some observation of AV waiting longer between two hours, i.e. 3 minutes instead of 90 seconds. That was never fully verified, but the thing is it wouldn't help all that much even if it is the case. He will still meteor, aeroga IV and benediction with a smile on his face.

There have never been sufficient data to make any valid conclusion. How many linkshells have actually tested 2hr spam and posted their results on BG? You can't rely on results from the few attempts by your linkshell to make metanalysis work.

Time to stop the derail I guess.

[Ramses]

There have never been sufficient data to make any valid conclusion. How many linkshells have actually tested 2hr spam and posted their results on BG? You can't rely on results from the few attempts by your linkshell to make metanalysis work.

Time to stop the derail I guess.

Everything I said was posted on BG when it happened and it is data from a few ls, not just one.

[Ahlah]

ok and how many AV fight were done among the few LS that posted their results?

Should really stop the derail before this thread get locked X) Who knows may be SE will reveal the secret behind AV during NA fanfest, it will just make all the arguements look silly. Since I am not even actively doing endgame events I really shouldn't even talk about AV.

[Kaslo]

Everything I said was posted on BG when it happened and it is data from a few ls, not just one.

Ahlah read this post again, it's on BG if you want it go find it...

[The Blackrose]

Ahlah read this post again, it's on BG if you want it go find it...

Simple logic escapes him.

[Guitarman]

ok and how many AV fight were done among the few LS that posted their results?

Dozens. You understand that? DOZENS. There's even a friggen video a ls recorded of it. It's obvious to everyone here that's been within 100ft of AV that you have no clue what you're talking about.

And before it's brought up. See the sig? Y'know how i killed it? During the glorious few days where kclub zerg was viable. After these years of dealing with a idiotic mob, it was very therapudic to beat the living piss out of it with a jagged club.

[chazzyphizzle]

But everyone who disagrees with him has to have an I.Q. of 50, myself included.

[Cow_k]

After these years of dealing with a idiotic mob, it was very therapudic to beat the living piss out of it with a jagged club.

This is the best validation for KC Absolute Virtue I've ever seen written. Very nice.

[orson]

You should take your own advice (NOTE: Just being silly, but you did say it should be taken to another thread then ranted about AV too )

Ya I realize the slight hypocrisy in my own post. Unfortunately this guy doesn't take so I got a bit carried away.

[Shini]

Had to step back in and see this. I normally don't read posts like this, but I had to chuckle at something I seen while trolling at 6am.

Ahlah... in your sig it says your LS is "Brainjacked". For what you've "debated" (I'll use that... loosely) about AV, shall we say that's what you're suffering from? For posting such... things? For being unable to understand the simplest things. For foaming at the mouth when people tell you AVs been beating like the dead horse it is. You're brain-jacked. Simple.

^_^;; Ok, I'll go back into the shadows now.

[Ahlah]

Ok I just want to say this one last time.

Back when ppl don't have a clue how to spawn 5f/6f madame. Salvage groups who ran into them would report their farming route and other information such as day/time etc on BG. It still took them months to figure out the spawn conditions.

AV will despawn after 2hr, which means your alliance will only get to spam 2hr once. Is it really so hard to stay alive long enough to spam 2hr once, monitor AV's response and report any unusual activities? It could be simple things such as the job combination, day/time etc. How many times have JoL been killed? If every LS test it we could have found out the secret behind 2hr spam, or at least disprove the theory by now.

I don't understand why ppl have difficulty understanding such a simple logic.

Ahlah... in your sig it says your LS is "Brainjacked". For what you've "debated" (I'll use that... loosely) about AV, shall we say that's what you're suffering from? For posting such... things? For being unable to understand the simplest things. For foaming at the mouth when people tell you AVs been beating like the dead horse it is. You're brain-jacked. Simple

Are you 3 year old or what?

[Cog]

my apologies if you tire of derailment ; ;

AV will despawn after 2hr, which means your alliance will only get to spam 2hr once. Is it really so hard to stay alive long enough to spam 2hr once, monitor AV's response and report any unusual activities? It could be simple things such as the job combination, day/time etc. How many times have JoL been killed? If every LS test it we could have found out the secret behind 2hr spam, or at least disprove the theory by now.

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ok so ZNM developers are more forthcoming with good info from behind the curtain of Square Enix than previous SE employees it seems... this has turned into an AV rant because of their repeated hush-hush "ninja fixes" and refusal to give hints apart from the notorious video. the secret is not to spam all SP abilities, but to use the correct ones, specifically the ones used by a few characters that seemed to have limitless use of SPs during that battle. [Astral Flow/Manafont/Soul Voice/Chainspell]
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the other undiscussed piece of strategy that SE used was pulling two /thf melees into the battle, to SATA WS members of tank PT. what happens again when you use one WS after another ? in the last scene AV is hit with two weapon skills and then elemental magic corresponding to the vanadiel day, i think it's reasonable to assume that the aim was to create a skillchain of one kind or another, leading me to one of two conclusions:
A.)creating a skillchain and magic burst will have a weakening effect on AV, much as casting nukes of the elemental day negates his regen ability. this theory is weakened by the fact that no scythe WS closes a thunder based SC following Gekko.
B.)intended SC was Gekko>Catastrophe *Darkness* used for damage purposes, and sticking hate on tanks.
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besides this the video hints at diaga/flee pulling to clear wyverns from tank pt AoE range in case of mijin(wyvern=BOOM), of course this is still viable but we can (post-nerf) easily kill the wyverns with a few -aga making it less useful of a hint.
finally the area in which they fight AV is normally occupied by three Aerns, which are never present during the recorded segments.
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the entire reason and theory behind endgame activity is to challenge the finest players in the game, thus AV and PW are unthinkably hard compared to the lower rungs in their NM ladders to create a barrier for players to continue to struggle against. instead of increasing sheer attributes and such, SE has tried to produce puzzle monsters that require lateral thinking as well as fine-tuned battle skills and intense concentration by 20+ people for extended amounts of time.

[BRP]

How does you have 4 signatures

[Ahlah]

Ppl have some serious issues with simple logic.

Many salvage groups use to believe 5f/6f madame are complete random spawn, ppl were unable to draw useful conclusion because sightings were rare. The spawn conditions were not figured out until sufficient number of encounters were reported and the information analyzed. If all salvage groups gave up because of the first few "dozens" of no-spawn Zhayolm runs we would have never discovered their spawn conditions.

There are obviously something more to 2hr spam trick, and the only way to find out is to keep testing it. Pre-patch it's difficult since AV only spawns occasionally after JoL is killed. SE changed the spawn conditions so that more testings can be carried out and LS dont' have to waste tons of exp holding AV after wipe. Some LS may accidentally discover unusual activities associated with 2hr spam and it only cost the alliance few hundred exp at most to run the test. Whinning about AV will get you nowhere, ppl who seriously believe AV is unbeatable because other LS have carried out "dozens" of AV fights are the same group of players who will have never found madame spawn conditions.

[Cog]

Ppl have some serious issues with simple logic.

Whinning about AV will get you nowhere

i think u are barking up the wrong blue-purpleish tree.
the 2hr spam is there to disguise the pattern.

[Mojo]

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[Kaslo]

Hey guys did you know people use to not know how to spawn f5/f6 madames?

[Lordwafik]

Many salvage groups use to believe 5f/6f madame are complete random spawn, ppl were unable to draw useful conclusion because sightings were rare. The spawn conditions were not figured out until sufficient number of encounters were reported and the information analyzed. If all salvage groups gave up because of the first few "dozens" of no-spawn Zhayolm runs we would have never discovered their spawn conditions.

Who thought that? A lot of the early BG threads were soley about making it spawn, nobody claimed it was random. You're confusing it with mad bomber.

ib4safeface"but I wasn't talking about BGers"

[The Blackrose]

Ppl have some serious issues with simple logic.

QQ

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You keep using these words. I do not think it means what you think it means.

ib4safeface"but I wasn't talking about BGers"

More like ib4backpedalwithacompletelydifferentsidetangenttha tyouneedtocallhimoutagainalongwithasidedishofsafef aceand"nooneunderstandsmyassbackwardslogic".

[Ahlah]

At some point ppl used to think 5f/6f madame were random spawn. I remember when I first started doing Salvage no1 knew how to spawn it and some ppl suggested they were random spawn.

Anyway sorry for the derail. This discussion is never going to end well and will never actually help ppl to solve the problem. Afterall it's just a videogame. Not point getting to serious about it.

Now where is my favourite Taru joker face signature??

BTW Lordwafik why are you such a d*ck? Skadi's Bazubands will drop one day, don't get sour because you are jealous.

Edit: I am too lazy to check all 50+ pages of Zhayolm thread, a quick search found this:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/ffxi-...mnants-12.html and more ppl have mentioned 5f/6f madame could be random spawn. Just because you never believed it's true doesn't mean other ppl don't.