Sigh, end a debate please

[tommygunnz]

a 72 O club Drk with the appropriate sub, gear etc

vs

a 75 DRK with appropriate sub, gear etc with Ridill, Mkris, K club, and Bahamut Zaghnal

Please list in order the most dmg in the shortest amount of time these will do in zerg situations.

Im thinking the 72 O club beats a 75 DRK zag for god sake but maybeeee I am wrong...

Sorry i searched, and this is for instant LS chat purposes so we can end this argument.

Thanks guys

[stewie]

Iirc 75 Kclub > 72 OClub > Mkris > Ridill > Zaghnal

[Zekyr]

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/ffxi-...rging-drk.html

Gone over quite well. Here's my repost:

assuming you have the backup to make points such as accuracy (SV mad, feint) and haste (spell, SV march) not being focused on:

1) Kclub: 2-8 hits wins due to sheer number of hits, low delay
2) Oclub: only at 72, suffers from some lack of gear choices but again sheer number of hits
3) Mkris: 2-3 hits, very low delay
4) Ridill: 2-3 hits, higher delay than kris, higher damage, but free if you have from another job
5) BZ: 2-3 hits, can use DB to cap haste, decent base damage
6) Fort axe: 2 hits, haste cap, decent base damage, easy to get
7) Chopper: Don't even bother, you'd be better off using a republic dagger or something
?) why is ferrara on this list

Basically to reiterate what everyone else said, because of the haste cap at 80% 2h weapon delays are not going to lower anywhere near the speed of multihit weapons anymore. The general idea behind DRK zerg is the more hits, the more damage. Since you can be doing 0 base damage and pumping the SE boost onto it, the only factor is how many times you can swing that weapon before BW (or SE) wears.

Due to that, the margin of damage tiers is now quite stark between the kclub/oclub, ridill/kris, and 2h weapons. The 2h weapons mostly (and ridill to a point) get a nice bonus from higher damage which helps add up, but if you're swinging twice as slow and only doing 50 more damage a hit it's not nearly going to compete with the bonus 200+ SE damage, especially when each actual round carries the possibility of multihit procs.

TL;DR: Clubs > 1h weaps > 2h weaps; and multihit onry.

[Zekyr]

Also why are you even asking if a 72 DRK with oclub would touch a 75 DRK full geared with kclub lol

[Valisk]

Also why are you even asking if a 72 DRK with oclub would touch a 75 DRK full geared with kclub lol

Think he just wanted the order. I'm pretty sure his question was does 72 O Club DRK beat a 75 BZ DRK

[Zekyr]

a 72 O club Drk with the appropriate sub, gear etc

vs

a 75 DRK with appropriate sub, gear etc with Ridill, Mkris, K club, and Bahamut Zaghnal

EDIT: I know what you're saying but I mean he doesn't even really need to ask about the oclub comparing to kclub at the minimum, the others I can see having a question.

[Valisk]

Im thinking the 72 O club beats a 75 DRK zag for god sake but maybeeee I am wrong...

Read a wee bit closer Just a wee tho.

[Wulfgang]

I used to rock 72 DRK with O Club, leveled to 75 after I stopped doing things that were best zerged. The order is pretty clearly 75 K Club > 72 O Club > 75 Kris > 75 Ridill > 75 B Zaghnal > 75 Fort Axe; I couldn't accurately place Apocalypse so I won't and I presume the Bastokan Dagger is at the bottom somewhere.

If you sacrifice some survivability (although not much consider Ni), you can piece together some decent haste gear even at 72 by subbing DRG; although it obviously pales to 75 options. I used to use:

Wyvern Targe
O Hat (Patroclus' Helm could be better with Feint)
P Charm
Cassie
Wyvern Earring
Hauberk +1
Dusk Gloves
BQ Ring
Blitz Ring
Gigant Mantle
Swift Belt (Haste Belt if no SV, which was pretty rare)
Sable Cuisses
Dusk Leds

16% haste with pretty easily acquirable gear; I believe max possible at 72 is 22% with HQ Dusk + S/V Belt and P Helm, could be forgetting something.

[Cakes]

assuming you have the backup to make points such as accuracy (SV mad, feint) and haste (spell, SV march) not being focused on

Importante, methinks

[failure]

There was a thread with parses a while back, after runechopper nerf, but I don't think any parses have included O Club have they?

[tommygunnz]

Yes which is why i said with the appropriate gear, subs, etc

Etc being Songs and such, best situation.


The discussion is pretty much closed, i have now come to realize that the shell i was in is pretty much chock full of idiots (not everyone of course, they know who they are) who live inside their own world and have never read anything outside of their own LS chat. They are still saying Zaghnal 75 DRKs own 72 Oclub drks even after reading this thread and me proclaiming for an hour that it doesn't. I promptly dropped the shell when I realized one of their own leaders was pushing this garbage into their heads. Oh well was a new shell to me, Gauroma of Kujata was the biggest dumbfuck I have ever met in this game. Him being a leader and all the rest were too afraid to tell his stupidass to stfu and that he was wrong, so the argument kept going till I just said fuck it im out.

I watched people like Robert (Demetrios) and such own shit down with my old shell with O club and other LS mates get an O club, SELL THEIR MKRIS, and delevel their DRK to 72 just for zerg purposes. I know that's not for alot of people haha, he has alot of other nice jobs geared at 75 so it was no big deal to him.

Can close if you want or keep it open, I am sure those who talked so much shit in chat now realize they are fucking morons and haven't the balls to post in the thread. Good day yall.

Oh and yes I know K club shouldnt have even been in the post bro, was just kind of a reference so to speak to the topic at hand =)

[Gauroma]

I just wanted you to leave the ls, so if you wanna end a debate, apparantly i won

[_chuchu]

I just wanted you to leave the ls, so if you wanna end a debate, apparantly i won

backpedlan gaemz

[tommygunnz]

I just wanted you to leave the ls, so if you wanna end a debate, apparantly i won

Lmao, pathetic excuse and as said before a backpeddle if I have ever seen it.

You're ridiculous, get a clue about this game you fucking crybaby.

This guy wanted to kick me because I got Ass Armletts -1 from a Dyna Bubu the rest of the LS went too while he stayed logged in and did god knows whatever, then he comes back drunk as fuck on LS chats and QQQ's all over the place and has hated me ever since.

[tommygunnz]

[23:04:17] Gauroma>> hey, you there?
[23:04:26] >>Gauroma : hi
[23:04:31] Gauroma>> whats up
[23:04:35] >>Gauroma : nothing
[23:04:40] >>Gauroma : just read a BG thread with you in it lol
[23:04:47] Gauroma>> seriously? lol
[23:04:51] Gauroma>> ive never been on bg
[23:04:56] >>Gauroma : it was about you
[23:05:02] Gauroma>> lol?
[23:05:16] Gauroma>> what about
[23:05:34] >>Gauroma : "They are still saying Zaghnal 75 DRKs own 72 　Oclub drks"
[23:05:40] Gauroma>> LOL
[23:05:59] >>Gauroma : I hope you don't really think that ;\
[23:06:15] Gauroma>> we had a arguement in ls like 3 hrs ago
[23:06:39] Gauroma>> he guy told me straight out a 72 octave club 　drk could own amkris, ridill and sag drk
[23:06:41] Gauroma>> zag drk
[23:06:47] >>Gauroma : Yep, that's true
[23:06:52] Gauroma>> lol
[23:07:12] Gauroma>> considering ive seen a oclub drk get rocked i 　have to say falce
[23:07:16] Gauroma>> false
[23:07:23] >>Gauroma : Welp, you're wrong unfortunately
[23:07:31] >>Gauroma : The O Club drk was probably geared poorly
[23:07:46] Gauroma>> how could an oclub drk level 72 unmerited, no 　homam, no nothing
[23:07:52] Gauroma>> beat a fully merited 75 drk
[23:08:10] Gauroma>> the guys just pissed we kicked him from our ls 　for being a moron
[23:08:21] >>Gauroma : lol ok
[23:08:38] Gauroma>> i just dont see how its possible
[23:09:07] Gauroma>> but i cant help but lol posting on BG
[23:09:56] Gauroma>> the zerg drks in my ls, hard to think a oclub 　drk would beat it
[23:10:04] Gauroma>> all the merits and extra gear i just dk


This was PM'ed to me, I think it's safe to say he won't ever post in here again, and no one kicked me from that LS, i dropped my pearl on my alt and my character.

Stop lying to everyone child. Where are all your LS mates now to defend you? They are all quiet now knowing they look like retards jumping my shit about what they know was "Fact" but now they slowly go back into the shadows and leave you to get raped via lolinternet.

GG Secretpolice

[Tsuki]

lol that ls sounds retarded.

[isladar]

Not in my fucking Newbie. Prove your dick is huge somewhere else.