Why do people never do pickup (insert endgame event here)?

[raginbull]

I posted this on chroma forums and got some good replies. Would like to see if bg posters have any different opinions though

Hey guys

In all the time I've been playing FFXI there is one thing that has consistently baffled me. People do stuff like pickup EXP Parties, merit parties and missions all the time. Here is the part that baffles me. There are some endgame events that I very seldom, if ever, see people doing pickups for though. Those events include stuff like Limbus, Nyzul, Salvage and ZNMs. What I am wondering is, what makes a pickup limbus for example less viable than a pickup EXP party? What makes them harder than a pickup meripo? Same question for salvage, nyzul and ZNM. I just don't really get it. I have never seen anyone shout for a pickup salvage or ZNM. See some shouts for Nyzul once in a blue moon. No limbus shouts either. Or sky for that matter.....

[jimbobsonofgod]

Problem with pick up groups for limbus is central runs , easy to low man zones for coins + mats. If people want coins + mats they grab a friend and duo, if they want central gear they either buy it or make a group and horde it.

[Callisto]

XP parties don't have lotting drama.

[Callisto]

Or at least not yet, we'll see if Treasure Caskets change that, lol

[Maaglin]

I see shouts for ZNMs, salvage, and nyzul on a daily basis.

Limbus not so much, but basically what was said above, you can low-man with a couple friends just about anything you want out of limbus. It's also older content and the above events, in most cases, offer better gear rewards.

Things like sky/sea can also be low-manned quite easily for most stuff.

[Lordwafik]

Dunno if you're on asura but I see people shouting to do pickup versions of these all the time.

Well, JP at least

People just are afraid of the NA stigma that's associated with Pick up anything. Usually in a JP pickup, people will respect the leader's decisions no matter what, even if they don't agree, they'll just do as he says and continue - which works well for a place like salvage.

NA pickup is like getting 5 leaders in 1 party, people constantly fighting over why they think the other is wrong and they they deserve to lot on a cell more than the other person. Then you get the whole fake DC happening if things don't go their way.

I'd save myself the headache.

[Gwynplaine]

I see pickup shouts for limbus, nyzul, and salvage all the time. Most frequently it is from JP players however. The last update to nyzul made the demand for the event skyrocket though, so it's common for NA and JP to do pickup runs.

The difference with events like ZNM, Einherjar, and Limbus are the final intended long-term goal. If a group has no intentions for a final outcome, and they just want to farm that's one thing. The best rewards and the best use of your time would be better spent with the ultimate long-term goals in mind. That's not the kind of thing suited for a pickup group of random people.

[Damane]

Dunno if you're on asura but I see people shouting to do pickup versions of these all the time.

Well, JP at least

People just are afraid of the NA stigma that's associated with Pick up anything. Usually in a JP pickup, people will respect the leader's decisions no matter what, even if they don't agree, they'll just do as he says and continue - which works well for a place like salvage.

NA pickup is like getting 5 leaders in 1 party, people constantly fighting over why they think the other is wrong and they they deserve to lot on a cell more than the other person. Then you get the whole fake DC happening if things don't go their way.

I'd save myself the headache.

This

+ one wrong/dumb person could screw up your entire Limbus Salvage nyzul etc run...
failed on nyzul isle once because 1 dumb person wasnt able to enter their registration code an a lamp floor.... yeah following directions like W S N E or so is hard -_- and that was a pickup...

Dont get me wrong, I do pickup assaults and nyzul isle. But thats my limit basicly. I would disband from a nyzul group instantly if I smell something shitty beforehand (why waste a tag?)

[SamanosukeShiva]

yea, one reason i dont like pickup (anything) is because of the possibilities that I will get noob in the pt.

[Tomiko]

I've seen shouts before for pick up Fafnir, but I don't think that ever left town.

Wafik pretty much covered the reason why they don't work.

[Aurara]

anyone got that pug faf pic with QM in it lol?

[Pendulum]

I have never seen anyone shout for a pickup salvage or ZNM. See some shouts for Nyzul once in a blue moon. No limbus shouts either. Or sky for that matter.....

I see loads of pickup shouts for nyzul, ones for salvage fairly frequently and ZNM very frequently when they were still newish. Hell I've seen pickup shouts for dynamis - xarcabard.

Would I join any? Probably nyzul/znm if it was a floor/mob I was interested in and loot distribution was clearly set out beforehand, i.e: leader will be passed to me before I use my ZNM pop.

[Ambir]

If you do an endgame event with a fixed group, whether you get an item sooner or later, your time will come. With pickups your chances will stay the same over time, they'll never increase.

Lots of endgame events also require a certain level of competency, or a lack of idiocy. Both can be a problem with a pickup group.

If you've levelled with pickup groups, you should get the idea. You can get really good ones, but you get plenty that really suck. You don't want to spend a whole lot of time and effort for a pickup group together, and find that they're hopeless...

[fishstix]

It strongly depends on your server. When I was first on phoenix, I thought it was strange to see pickup salvage and limbus, but never any shout ISNMs (rarely KSNMs even), which were wildly popular on asura. Friends of mine and people I know have been rather successful with pickup salvage groups, including getting Hizaku Hara-ate and Deimos Cuisses for themselves. ZNM shouts were popular when it first came out, but the amount of effort it takes for everything, pretty much left the events to doing it in a linkshell instead, or not at all. (Although my friend did a successful pug soulflayer run 5/5)

But yeah, like LW said, the difficulty in a pug lies in how much you have to rely on strangers. How many times have you had people afk/leave suddenly/fake-dc in an exp pug... imagine that happening in your salvage run.

I remember back on Asura... Futchy made a shout Bahamut v2 zerg run. He came up with... 5? KC drks... and they wiped. TRUE STORY

[Mayareira]

Pretty much the "leader" concept, yeah. If you've noticed in Japanese assault runs leader basically gets the tag and the AP bonus and no one bitches/moans. They don't really /random for it unless there is a non-japanese in the party. A non-JP guy blacklisted the JP for this very reason and the JP guy was totally clueless about the situation. An important piece dropping in a Salvage run would probably cause a huuuuuuge mess in a pick-up group.

...and to be honest, it is full of dumbfucks out there and I'd rather keep my distance. Assault pick-up? sure. Nyzul? Maybe. Mission? I guess. HNM/ZNM/BCNM? Hell no.

[Falisa]

I've seen shouts before for pick up Fafnir, but I don't think that ever left town.

Ohoho memories from Fenrir...

[tsola]

I pretty much do semi-/shout anytime I want to do salvage these days, and it has worked fairly well for me. I usually start with myself and 1-2 other friends, and shout for the last 3-4 members. It works pretty well I think, and it's actually easier to get gear this way, since you can eliminate competition for yourself (find people that don't want to lot the same thing as you/your friend), and once you/your friend get the drop that you need, you won't be stuck continuously doing the same zone over and over again for a static member for that one drop that may be eluding you.

However, of course, everything is always more fun with friends, and it's always slightly annoying when a good 35 drops to see it drop to a random stranger, instead of one of my good friends.

Shout Nyzul is common these days, and I know many people that have successfully climbed 1-100 purely through shouts.

[Vyerz]

Nyzul pickup's are ok.. not recomended, Limbus would be fine if you were only farming AF and Coins, Limbus I could see being a feasible pickup because every limbus zone can be done with like 6 semi-competent blm's.

Salvage: DONT CAST ON THE FLANS "Hay gusy lewk i did a 2k thunder 3" Group: "...."

[Arthars]

Dunno if you're on asura but I see people shouting to do pickup versions of these all the time.

Well, JP at least

People just are afraid of the NA stigma that's associated with Pick up anything. Usually in a JP pickup, people will respect the leader's decisions no matter what, even if they don't agree, they'll just do as he says and continue - which works well for a place like salvage.

NA pickup is like getting 5 leaders in 1 party, people constantly fighting over why they think the other is wrong and they they deserve to lot on a cell more than the other person. Then you get the whole fake DC happening if things don't go their way.

I'd save myself the headache.

absolutely right

the best part is NA pickup is = 5 leaders in PT, this one made me laughed sooo hard because its very true!

another thing for salvage and assault pick up is that, MOST JP are experienced, compared to MOST NA that are not experienced (hell some even can still tell u he/her on 2nd class private assault rank and never done salvage before)

this is because JP generally shout ALOT more limbus/salvage/assault, hence almost every JP and their mothers have actually tried and experienced it. In ifrit, theres only like 3-5 NA shouts everyday......and out of 5 of them, 4 are failed attempts, compared to non-stop JP shouts for these events. Its really much much safer to join a JP shout group.

therefore, if your gotta go for a pick up, getting into a JP pickup is SAFER than a NA pickup. im not saying all JP groups are da best but if you wanna save more brain cells, or your tags, or your AP and dont want much responsibilities and headache, go for the JP ship

its not hard, if you see a JP shout, u can just say "<job>irimasennka?(input this romanji, letters by letters, into hiragana with ur ime)" and wait for reply. After you joined, just say "ok(romanji)" bla bla bla shits

but i hope you really know whats their plan tho and dont screw up lmao, i cant type really well japanese but i do understand what they say.

[raginbull]

Pretty much the "leader" concept, yeah. If you've noticed in Japanese assault runs leader basically gets the tag and the AP bonus and no one bitches/moans. They don't really /random for it unless there is a non-japanese in the party. A non-JP guy blacklisted the JP for this very reason and the JP guy was totally clueless about the situation. An important piece dropping in a Salvage run would probably cause a huuuuuuge mess in a pick-up group.

...and to be honest, it is full of dumbfucks out there and I'd rather keep my distance. Assault pick-up? sure. Nyzul? Maybe. Mission? I guess. HNM/ZNM/BCNM? Hell no.

what's wrong with pickup bcnm? ; ;