Mythic Weapons Discussion

[Bagel]

Unlike a lot of people, I've never thought Wopa was retarded. Then this thread comes around...

[Redshift]

wopa worried about the ethics of making gil, who would have thought.

[Kittyn]

Keep hating, your tears bring me power Mact.

Nice try at taking a cheap shot at me, and STILL ignoring the fact he's reselling for profit using his mule.

It all depends on if the LS is ok with it. Some people buy dynamis currency or alexandrites for cheaper. Resell for profit. Reinvest to buy more dynamis currency or alexandrites is doing the LS a favor. That person will finish sooner than the person just sitting on "sponsorsing."

[Neosutra]

Ok everyone stfu about alex prices. Post about updates to individual's quests and/or new info on comfirmed weapons/quests testing or gtfo.

[Kukuk]

My group's upgrader is around

20\30k Alex
Tokens: Done
Assaults 38\50
Ampules: Done

We were shooting for a end of Dec competition but the darn dupe fix got us

what weapon?

[Kaeko]

Wondering if you can just straight buy ZNM triggers...

Letticia has been offering ~9M for a Sarameya Hide. I'm not sure if she's gotten it.

[Gwynplaine]

Wondering if you can just straight buy ZNM triggers...

Letticia has been offering ~9M for a Sarameya Hide. I'm not sure if she's gotten it.

That is impossible because the developers put the fight on an island (I kid).

[Zilong]

Wondering if you can just straight buy ZNM triggers...

Letticia has been offering ~9M for a Sarameya Hide. I'm not sure if she's gotten it.

Wow...

We're pretty much just rotting ours into PW seals, man does sarameya need to be anymore lucrative?

[Ahlah]

Wondering if you can just straight buy ZNM triggers...

Letticia has been offering ~9M for a Sarameya Hide. I'm not sure if she's gotten it.

Ssssshit, my secret method to fund salvage upgrade for LS member is out.

Any1 who's looking for Sarameya Hide on Midgard - you know where to look for one

[Kaeko]

Ssssshit, my secret method to fund salvage upgrade for LS member is out.

Any1 who's looking for Sarameya Hide on Midgard - you know where to look for one

What are you typically selling it for? And I assume only Sarameya since the others aren't very lucrative.

[tymora]

...
It's rejects and scums like yourself and tymora that keeps me going in this game. I <3 blocking all of you QQ

And I thought I was doing you a favor keeping quiet. Mact came back because the Caff. folks asked him to.

For someone who has to rely on cross server immigrants to sustain your ls after your local recruits gets slowly disillusioned, you sure have a nerve to call us rejects and scums. As for keeping you going, I don't remember talking to you for the past year since after I kicked you. I am honored to have been your imaginary enemy.

And for someone who has engaged in all manner of shady business, exploit included to upgrade your "relics", you are the last person in the game qualified to call others names for pulling gil making stints like this.

Like I said before, you're a worm beneath my notice. Go dig your own holes and be happy in them.

[kareface]

You still did not point out that you are reselling those alex at 5k a piece.

That's like someone buying currencies off dynamis LS for 300k a piece claiming they are upgrading relic, and reselling them at a 1M a piece for profit hence shafting everyone else.

You've been reselling it on Clothcraft (your mule) for profit and dont' fucking deny that.

Douchebag.

I agree, it sucks for people who are upgrading. But, it's not really a douche-bag move. If you were to apply that to anything other then dynamis currency, you can see the logical fallacy. If I had someone that could supply me with cheap speed belts, and I did not need them for myself, then how would it be a douche-bag move to buy them on the cheap and resell for much more? That's actually a really good way of making profit, especially when you have mules hoping between servers as frequent as people like myself. If he can get the currency on the cheap, that's his advantage, welcome to the world of economics.

[Fornax]

It's rejects and scums like yourself and tymora that keeps me going in this game. I <3 blocking all of you QQ

Even you my dear will eventually realize that harrassing people does not lead to happiness or peace.

Kindness, loyalty and friendship are the only real treasures we can find in this game. Those are the values that will endure, long after the servers are turned off.

[Ruin]

Ok looking for some advice or opinion here, and a question about "Aftermath"

I will slowly work on a mythic, right now I just need the 3 tau king titles for the first part. First thing I need to do is decide on which mythic.. its either BLM or BLU. Now the reason its a hard choice: My first choice is BLM and reason is its my main focus, morrigan set, INT+5 merits etc. Now Laevateinn is awesome dont get me wrong, but at this time I keep debating if it will be worth it if Dorje becomes attainable, and by attainable I mean easier than mythic..like PW drop if it gets nerfed or easy strat figured out. So Dorje is MAB+25. Laev is +20 but also enhance ES, mag acc+10, and of course the mythic WS and aftermath. Now I dont see Aftermath helping much on BLM for most fights...nor do I know how much MAB will be added if you use the WS on a said mob? Its like its meant for you to come BLM/SAM.. but doing that u are beyond dead already. In the end if you looking for raw power and high numbers, Dorje seems to win to me.

So what do I do, go for the BLM and ignore possible Dorje? Or go for BLU?

Just lookin for advice / opinions here

[Toksyuryel]

Ok looking for some advice or opinion here, and a question about "Aftermath"

I will slowly work on a mythic, right now I just need the 3 tau king titles for the first part. First thing I need to do is decide on which mythic.. its either BLM or BLU. Now the reason its a hard choice: My first choice is BLM and reason is its my main focus, morrigan set, INT+5 merits etc. Now Laevateinn is awesome dont get me wrong, but at this time I keep debating if it will be worth it if Dorje becomes attainable, and by attainable I mean easier than mythic..like PW drop if it gets nerfed or easy strat figured out. So Dorje is MAB+25. Laev is +20 but also enhance ES, mag acc+10, and of course the mythic WS and aftermath. Now I dont see Aftermath helping much on BLM for most fights...nor do I know how much MAB will be added if you use the WS on a said mob? Its like its meant for you to come BLM/SAM.. but doing that u are beyond dead already. In the end if you looking for raw power and high numbers, Dorje seems to win to me.

So what do I do, go for the BLM and ignore possible Dorje? Or go for BLU?

Just lookin for advice / opinions here

Sell the Dorje and buy HQ staves. Seriously.

[Kerberoz]

Ok looking for some advice or opinion here, and a question about "Aftermath"

I will slowly work on a mythic, right now I just need the 3 tau king titles for the first part. First thing I need to do is decide on which mythic.. its either BLM or BLU. Now the reason its a hard choice: My first choice is BLM and reason is its my main focus, morrigan set, INT+5 merits etc. Now Laevateinn is awesome dont get me wrong, but at this time I keep debating if it will be worth it if Dorje becomes attainable, and by attainable I mean easier than mythic..like PW drop if it gets nerfed or easy strat figured out. So Dorje is MAB+25. Laev is +20 but also enhance ES, mag acc+10, and of course the mythic WS and aftermath. Now I dont see Aftermath helping much on BLM for most fights...nor do I know how much MAB will be added if you use the WS on a said mob? Its like its meant for you to come BLM/SAM.. but doing that u are beyond dead already. In the end if you looking for raw power and high numbers, Dorje seems to win to me.

So what do I do, go for the BLM and ignore possible Dorje? Or go for BLU?

Just lookin for advice / opinions here

Learn2math and realize that MAB+25 sucks unless you're practically naked? Not to mention getting resisted every single cast... have fun.

[Kaeko]

Ok looking for some advice or opinion here, and a question about "Aftermath"

I will slowly work on a mythic, right now I just need the 3 tau king titles for the first part. First thing I need to do is decide on which mythic.. its either BLM or BLU. Now the reason its a hard choice: My first choice is BLM and reason is its my main focus, morrigan set, INT+5 merits etc. Now Laevateinn is awesome dont get me wrong, but at this time I keep debating if it will be worth it if Dorje becomes attainable, and by attainable I mean easier than mythic..like PW drop if it gets nerfed or easy strat figured out. So Dorje is MAB+25. Laev is +20 but also enhance ES, mag acc+10, and of course the mythic WS and aftermath. Now I dont see Aftermath helping much on BLM for most fights...nor do I know how much MAB will be added if you use the WS on a said mob? Its like its meant for you to come BLM/SAM.. but doing that u are beyond dead already. In the end if you looking for raw power and high numbers, Dorje seems to win to me.

So what do I do, go for the BLM and ignore possible Dorje? Or go for BLU?

Just lookin for advice / opinions here

I can do the math for you real quick to determine when HQ staves beats Dorje and BLM Mythic. The main issue is that Elemental Staves is a straight +15% damage while MAB stats are not quite like this.

If you reason things out it works out to this simplified formula...

1.15 = { [ Current MAB Before Weapon ] + [ MAB of Weapon ] } / [ Current MAB Before Weapon ]

If you solve this equation for your current MAB before adding the weapon by inserting whatever MAB the weapon in question has (e.g. Dorje +25), you get the 'cutoff' MAB at which elemental staves become better than your weapon in question.

If you want to just believe whatever I say, then I'll just tell you...

Elemental Staves beat Dorje at +67 MAB or greater (including trait)

Elemental Staves beat Mythic at +34 MAB or greater (including trait)

I say this with the assumption that there is no hidden bonus damage on either of these special staves. Impossible to really know since we've never seen either.

Considering a BLM gets innate trait of +32 MAB at 75, that means that Staves beat Dorje if you have +35 MAB from gear or greater.

You can get over +35 with very good gear and use of Sorc. Ring

Morrigan Body +5
HQ Zenith Mitts +6
Novio Earring +7
Moldy Earring +5
Sorc. Ring +10
Yigit Crackows +2

This gives +35 and breaks the cutoff for Staves beating Dorje. You can additionally add Uggy Pendant and it'll clearly make Dorje inferior. If you do not use Sorc. Ring then Dorje will do more damage.

My personal conclusion is BLM mythic is a good idea if:
1) You want to bank on there being some additional damage effect like Elemental Staves in addition to the stated +20 MAB.
2) You want to bank on Elemental Seal addition being worth the trouble.
3) You're really rich and like BLM?

BLM Mythic is one of those big risks at this point. Someone will eventually bite the bullet and find out if there are hidden damage stats + whatever the ES does, but until then, you may end up spending a lot of time and gil on a useless weapon.

Dorje I'd consider useless since if you ever get access to one you probably have the gear to make it inferior to HQ staves.

Oh, you also lose some unknown, but easily significant amount of magic accuracy by not using HQ staves.

[Suiram]

Go for the BLU weapon because even if the BLM weapon is awesome (and I suspect it will be more awesome than it appears on at face value), I can't imagine it being better than either converting damage to MP or occasionally attacking twice alone on BLU, much less combined.

Meanwhile while you're working on BLU, some inordinately wealthy BLM (see Tymora above) will have upgraded the staff and you can decide then if it's worth dumping gil and time into as a second mythic. Also, ditch the Dorje.

And please no pandemonium drama.

[Kaeko]

If someone else isn't, I'll probably eventually do BLM Mythic. I'm not really banking on any additional damage, but the Elemental Seal enhancement is probably something good. I personally think it'll be 1 minute duration seal instead of next cast, which is really good.

If someone manages to test at fanfest all the better.

[Suiram]

My personal hope until proven otherwise is that ES gives you access to comet and meteor

But yeah it could easily be better than HQ staves, depending on some things. Maybe "MAB+20" is a mistake and they really mean "staff bonus +20" or maybe it's MAB as written but the aftermath MAB is significant. I'd melee if I had it lol But BLU still looks way better (and I've thought about this comparison a lot for the obvious reasons).