Rogue in Wrath

[Boyiee]

Is anyone enjoying it like they used to? Cause I'm sure as hell not.

I mean, yeah it's repetitive and you press like 5 buttons 500000000000 times whatever, thats most classes, so it's hard to "really enjoy" something like that in pve... But doing hyjal and BT in tbc on my horde rogue was pretty fun... stacking groups and doing top 3 dps or whatever... It just doesn't feel the same.

Mutilate was fun for a while, and I like that it's more challenging to play (kinda lol) then combat, a little bit more effort to get that perfect rotation down... but sooooo many bosses and instances in heroics and such, even in naxx, really are not friendly to rogues. Having a mob that randomly goes immune and suddenly adds come out... grats on just owning my 4cp snd refresh or rupture refresh, oh also I have no energy to open a mute on said add... Yeah we have to pool it more, but it's really not the same.

Not to mention meters. Top 3 was easy for me in BC. The way I see it, we are one of a few classes that can only do 1 thing in a raid, dps. So we should be able to do it pretty damn well. We give up the ability to switch specs and heal, or tank, or cast once in a while to dps hard, but I'm having alot of trouble keeping up with people. One example is my MT, he decided to spec fury for heroics today, I haven't seem him do so yet, didn't even know he had the gear (badge/5man items only)... the fucker puts out 3k dps with no problems. I've been looking at WWS's and such, and I'm seeing alot of the same. Maybe we'll scale with gear? I'm not sure, but right not it just isn't as fun, especially if i'm not doing top dps, I'd like to at least have fun with what I'm doing.

I know alot of big time rogues, theorycrafting rogues, that are making a deathknight and never going back... I'm honestly thinking of rerolling myself, (just not dk) just debating if I want to do all the levels again, even with Refer a Friend it's a bitch. Maybe I'll just buy one, gdi. Anyone else not-enjoying rogue as much as they used to? Just feels more like an alt to me then good enough for a main. Friend has a 70warrior I could level, but he doesn't know his SQ/A so he has to fax blizz to reset it, or there is the option of leveling my own hunter, or another friends mage... just dont even know anymore. Putting alot of time an effort into this rogue just to have it feel really bleh.

[Kytele]

I'm pretty much feeling the same.


However what stops me from re-rolling to another alt is the whole "scale with gear" issue. What I'm hoping will happen is that Rogues will start to actually putting out decent numbers once the gear scales enough past the absolute fucking monstrosity that Death Knights are at this point.

However there was a blue dev post (can't find the link right now otherwise I'd post) saying they were taking a look at DPS values in our class. It's not promising anything, but it's a start. I do recall hearing at a developer panel at Blizzcon that pure DPS classes (Mages, Warlocks, Hunters, Rogues) should always be on top.

Right now myself and the other Rogue in my guild are just biding our time and furiously leveling other alts as a contingency.

[aers]

DKs are a monstrosity? Eh.

I'd argue that Hunters, Mages, and too an extent Enh Shaman are pretty ridiculous right now.

Rogue should get better. Blizzard said they'll fix something if it's really this bad.

Admittedly 75%~ of the DPS in my guild are terrible players but the rogues seem to be competing pretty well: (I'm the best geared DPS in my guild and I min/max, my numbers are high because of that)

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However, if you want to reroll - now is the time to do it.

[Kytele]

In all honesty I don't want to re-roll, I'm just kind of sick of at the spot where we are now. I have a horrible habit of trying to be the best at what I'm doing and well, this is making it difficult, then I get frustrated. I love being a Rogue, I really do, but I also want to feel like I should be brought along to raids, rather than because they (raid leaders n such) feel like they're obligated to. I feel like my raid leader is going to start finding excuses any second to make myself and the other rogue re-roll.

I've wanted to switch to mutilate (am combat fist/dagger atm) and I'm falling behind, but I have yet to grab a decent speed/set of daggers at all.

[aers]

...you can't be doing THAT terrible DPS can you?

There's really no justification not to take any of the DPS classes because none of the fights in WoTLK save Thaddius have anything remotely like a DPS check. If your raid leader starts not taking rogues because they arent doing more than 5k dps like a hunter or a crit-string-RNG mage... I dunno what to say.

[Gulkeeva]

haha yeah my rogues pretty terrible dps now it makes me sad ;/

All I do with it now is gank people on my herb nodes >.>

[Correction]

They made Mut viable but didn't fix mobs going immune to poisons. Thanks.

They evened out combat specs a little but then made 60% of the northrend weaponry daggers. Thanks.

They improved Energy regen but then nerfed Shiv and put Relentless Strikes in Sub and cost 5 points. Thanks.

Rogues will eventually get fixed. Even if raiding isn't fun the gear is still incredible and I'm not seeing any real decrease in PvP utility.

[Kytele]

They improved Energy regen but then nerfed Shiv and put Relentless Strikes in Sub and cost 5 points. Thanks.

This irritated me quite a bit when it came out.

[Ishido]

Our best rogue is usually coming in 4th now behind our BM hunters and myself, sometimes our arms warrior. He was combat for our first night of raiding, and did decently (around 3.5k DPS I believe) and did a bit better as Mut last night. He's still in some blues/BC gear, so I don't think it's too bad at the moment.

[Boyiee]

My only problem with rerolling, is that I just leveled enchanting yesterday to be our guild enchanter/dis since ours disappeared and hasnt logged on in over a week, not to mention is level 74 still. Kind of shitty for me to reroll now.

I just dont want to do 1-80, 70-80 maybe.

Edit: hmm

Friend has a 70 mage, but every mage I've grouped with was shitty dps, although I've seen them put up 6k in patchwerk... Also has a 70warrior, but we need his secret question so I can xfer it to my own account... How fun are these 2 classes atm? My MT who respecced fury and raped my dps made me want to check that out, but I've never played a warrior in pve so idk... Not sure If I want to level a hunter from level1 though even though I have refer a friend... Gulk how is your hunter? Worth it? lol

[Correction]

Mage is the new warlock.

[Kytele]

Found it:

We are taking a hard look at rogue PvE performance right now.

We don't think fixing the Master Poisoner bug is cause to give rogues a huge buff however. The issue is a little more complex than it is being portrayed in this thread.

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I'm holding out for this and hope it ends positively.

[Dareus]

I never really understood why Rogues decided that they have to be doing the most damage PvE or they are broken and need to be fixed. They have just as many CC/defense skills/debuffs as the other DPS classes (( Excluding locks )) so I feel that they should have to fight for the position of number 1.

That's just my two cents though, and I don't play a rogue I just heal them.

[Ishido]

They do have legitimate arguments for doing more DPS, because hunters locks and mages have similar defensive or CC spells (in some cases better). At the same time, rogues are always in melee range and so vulnerable to a lot of things those other classes do not have to expose themselves to (in addition to having a smaller threat cushion by being melee).

Prior to TotT they brought nearly nothing to raids outside of their DPS and thus needed to be at the top or very close to it to be worth their spot in a raid.

[Boyiee]

I agree, we should be fighting for the position of number 1, it shouldn't just be given to us.

But I am not happy with fighting for the position of 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10...

[Correction]

I never really understood why Rogues decided that they have to be doing the most damage PvE or they are broken and need to be fixed. They have just as many CC/defense skills/debuffs as the other DPS classes (( Excluding locks )) so I feel that they should have to fight for the position of number 1.

That's just my two cents though, and I don't play a rogue I just heal them.

None of the Rogue's CC abilities can be applied in combat, so they're once and never again. This is unique among all the classes who can CC mobs. So we're clearly not a strong CC class. The latest buff to Sap makes us slightly more desirable for CC but the fact that we can only sap one target, and only a beast/humanoid/demon/dragonkin, and only once per combat does not make the 'but you have Blind!' argument a strong one.

As others mentioned we didn't bring a lot of raid utility to the table until Savage Combat, and even then you only need one Rogue to provide it.

Which leaves DPS. Yeah back in the Sunwell days it was great being a Glaive Rogue but compared to what Hunters/Mages are pulling at 80, from range, with their own dps buffed, Rogues feel left behind. Not broken, just left behind.

[Korietsu]

Which leaves DPS. Yeah back in the Sunwell days it was great being a Glaive Rogue but compared to what Hunters/Mages are pulling at 80, from range, with their own dps buffed, Rogues feel left behind. Not broken, just left behind.

Hunters shouldn't be ahead of mages or rogues. Generally, since mages/rogues share the same utility, they should be the top two slots in any raid all things considered perfect. Right now physical DPS is broken, and certain things are scaling properly. Its disheartening seeing hunters doing 4k in blues in heroics to be honest, but mage's best spec really only shines in 25man, I guess we'll have to see the direction blizzard takes. I personally like being able to feed rogues combo points, and that we have mage spec synergy with fire/frost/FFB.

[Kytele]

Those of you raiding with some open minded Rogue buddies try speccing into Honor Among Thieves for a while. The three of us went from fighting for spots 5-10 the night before to top 1-3. It's crazy broken. More combo points than we know what to do with.

[aers]

nerf rogues!

Yeah I told the rogue who runs in my 10-man group about it a few days ago and he's been trying it out.

[Ishido]

broken specs lol

mediocre individually BUT! put them together and say goodbye to any thoughts of doing well on the DPS meters.