War on Christmas 08

[Maguspk]

Christians didn't "pervert" or "steal" anything, they simply chose the Winter Solstice because it was convenient to celebrate on that day considering it was already a day of celebration. I love how atheists put a spin on everything though. Failing to see the idiocy in condemning either side so fervently.

[Saithorx]

why would atheist go door to door? to warn people that when they die... that is all. At least the people who go door to door are doing it with the purpose of believing they will save you from hell.

[Daydreamer]

My biggest pet peeve on Christmas is the tree. Before I go into this, I am not Christian, but it annoys me to no end when people don't call it a Christmas tree. My favorite was my university calling their tree a "Holiday Spruce" last year. Wtf? Seriously? If you're going to have a tree then fucking call it a Christmas tree, because you know what holiday I think of when I see one? CHRISTMAS. If you want to take the religion out of it then just don't put the damn thing up to begin with!

[Kiro]

The issue isn't just christians. It's pretty much EVERY RELIGION IN EXISTENCE, with a few exceptions. Although, to be fair, I know not everyone who is religious is this fucking stupid. So before any of you who AREN'T that nuts get offended and start flaming me, I'm not trying to bash your religion of choice, just the.. "extremists" in said religion that are doing this type of shit and giving you a "bad name".

My aunt is buddhist, and not once has she attempted to take me to a monastery to meditate or given me any buddhist literature or anything like that. But my other aunt, her kids, and her husband have repeatedly tried to fucking convert me to Christianity, and when I flat out say "No thanks, I don't believe in God." they look at me like I fucking shat the anti-christ.

If I ever had to choose a religion, it would most likely be buddhism. I heard somewhere that if a person is a true buddhist they can't "recruit" or "convert" someone into religion, they have to let that person "join" or "convert" of their own free will.

If more religions were like that, wooooow. The human race would be in insanely better shape I bet.


Edit @ Magus: They did, actually. "Christmas", or whatever you want to call it, was never a Christian day of celebration. I know I'm gonna get a lot of "lolZeitgeist" shit for saying this, but it was a friggin' Pagan day of celebration first. They'd burn trees and what not as a symbol of fertility, or something like that. Hence why trees are covered in lights now. I don't know where the fuck gifts came from though.

If you believe in Jesus and him being born on the 25th it's a day of celebration for Christians, obviously. But since I don't, I'm gonna argue with people about it and ruin this thread. :\

[Ramses]

Christians didn't "pervert" or "steal" anything, they simply chose the Winter Solstice because it was convenient to celebrate on that day considering it was already a day of celebration. I love how atheists put a spin on everything though. Failing to see the idiocy in condemning either side so fervently.

This is simply not true although I wouldn't use the word "pervert" as that is opinion. Winter Solstice was chosen because everyone already celebrated and christianity was not nearly popular enough yet to have it's own holiday. The reasons were purely political. Why else would you celebrate a birthday months from the actual anniversary of the date of birth? There is nothing convenient about that.

[zoobernut]

Kiro you hit the nail on the head. I totally agree with you. I always got bugged at college by "Campus Crusade" to join them in bible study and crap. I don't mind people having their own religions but when it creeps into my life I get irritated.

[Mizango]

My biggest pet peeve on Christmas is the tree. Before I go into this, I am not Christian, but it annoys me to no end when people don't call it a Christmas tree. My favorite was my university calling their tree a "Holiday Spruce" last year. Wtf? Seriously? If you're going to have a tree then fucking call it a Christmas tree, because you know what holiday I think of when I see one? CHRISTMAS. If you want to take the religion out of it then just don't put the damn thing up to begin with!

I call mine a Christmas tree lol

And I jam out to Run DMC "Christmas in Hollis" !

[quannum]

Christians didn't "pervert" or "steal" anything, they simply chose the Winter Solstice because it was convenient to celebrate on that day considering it was already a day of celebration. I love how atheists put a spin on everything though. Failing to see the idiocy in condemning either side so fervently.

lern2history

[Ramses]

The vikings were the first to use Christmas trees, but that's another story.

[Mizango]

I used to play "The lost Vikings", that game was awesome.

[Feielle]

Had someone stole a nativity scene it would be an uproar.

When I was in highschool, my dad caught a group of middle-school kids trying to kick over the Mary statue in our nativity scene in our front yard. This has happened in the past, so he bolted them down to a wooden board.

About 9pm, we hear this loud CRACK and he goes hauling ass out into the front yard, and comes back with 2 of them, dragging them by their shirts. Calls their parents, parents come over, yell at the kids right in front of us. One mom popped the hell out of her kid on the way back to the car.

Best. Christmas. Ever.

Edit:

I heard somewhere that if a person is a true buddhist they can't "recruit" or "convert" someone into religion, they have to let that person "join" or "convert" of their own free will.

If more religions were like that, wooooow. The human race would be in insanely better shape I bet.

Isn't Judaism like that?

[Mizango]

When I was in highschool, my dad caught a group of middle-school kids trying to kick over the Mary statue in our nativity scene in our front yard. This has happened in the past, so he bolted them down to a wooden board.

About 9pm, we hear this loud CRACK and he goes hauling ass out into the front yard, and comes back with 2 of them, dragging them by their shirts. Calls their parents, parents come over, yell at the kids right in front of us. One mom popped the hell out of her kid on the way back to the car.

Best. Christmas. Ever.

Nice lol.

[Kiro]

Isn't Judaism like that?

I dunno, lol. I have no interest in Judaism.

[Penthesilea]

When I was in highschool, my dad caught a group of middle-school kids trying to kick over the Mary statue in our nativity scene in our front yard. This has happened in the past, so he bolted them down to a wooden board.

About 9pm, we hear this loud CRACK and he goes hauling ass out into the front yard, and comes back with 2 of them, dragging them by their shirts. Calls their parents, parents come over, yell at the kids right in front of us. One mom popped the hell out of her kid on the way back to the car.

Best. Christmas. Ever.

Meh we never kicked anything over, just made those wicker reindeer hump one another.

[Dimmauk]

My biggest pet peeve on Christmas is the tree. Before I go into this, I am not Christian, but it annoys me to no end when people don't call it a Christmas tree. My favorite was my university calling their tree a "Holiday Spruce" last year. Wtf? Seriously? If you're going to have a tree then fucking call it a Christmas tree, because you know what holiday I think of when I see one? CHRISTMAS. If you want to take the religion out of it then just don't put the damn thing up to begin with!

Nothing says "Peace on Earth" like deforestation.

<3 my Hanukkah shrub.

[Athas]

either way, I still fail to see why it's such a big deal. someone says "merry christmas" it's not like they are shoving a bible in your face trying to get you to join christianity.

This.

[Feielle]

Meh we never kicked anything over, just made those wicker reindeer hump one another.

oh yeah, thats good times. Especially if you can find the ones that move their heads up and down.

Thing is, my mother is INSANE about Christmas. The woman probably has 500sq feet of our attic filled floor-to-ceiling with christmas decorations. These weren't just some light-up wal-mart jobs. She made clothes for them; little half-sized jackets and dresses and beads and such for Mary and Joseph and the wise men. It bordered on creepy, if you want the truth of it.

I was more scared for those kids if my dad had let my mom loose on them.

[Penthesilea]

oh yeah, thats good times. Especially if you can find the ones that move their heads up and down.

Thing is, my mother is INSANE about Christmas. The woman probably has 500sq feet of our attic filled floor-to-ceiling with christmas decorations. These weren't just some light-up wal-mart jobs. She made clothes for them; little half-sized jackets and dresses and beads and such for Mary and Joseph and the wise men. It bordered on creepy, if you want the truth of it.

I was more scared for those kids if my dad had let my mom loose on them.

My family just normally does lights and a tree, but I think this year I'm going to erect a star of david and a menorah with lights. One year I made a giant cross, but my parents made me take it down.

[Zalius]

definitely missed the point while still proving it

[archibaldcrane]

Just to clarify, Winter Solstice is a secular astronomical event, then a pagan religious celebration of such, then co-opted (much like Easter, named for the pagan goddess of spring Eostre) in order to bring more people into the Christian fold. "loling about ironing" because Winter Solstice is a "religious event" ignores how it is an actual real event in the natural world, which is what the sign is referring to.