Flouride and vaccinations - Related to IQ?

[Dalek]

Sad truth video

So I was cruising the interwebs looking for cool stuff and I came across this video. Normally I wouldn't feel the need to share, but I've heard of vaccinations being somewhat linked to autism rates, so the video piqued my interest. I also decided to do some independent research on flouride and found tons of information that seems to support the video's claim of fluoride's neurotoxic effects. Now for those too lazy to actually sit through the video, it talks about the lowering of the average IQ through systematic measures, particularly through drinking water and vaccinations. Before I pull out the foil hat, I'd like to hear some grounded opinions on the subject. The video does have a conspiracy theory-esque tone to it but from what I've read, sodium flouride has been deemed neurotoxic and shown to have almost no benefits for dental health so it does make you at least wonder why its still being used today. Conspiracy theories aside, there doesn't seem to be a reason to continue its use so it begs the question "why?" at the very least.

As for vaccinations, I'm still on the fence on the subject, but the short of it is that thimerasol, a mercury derivative in flu vaccines has supposedly been linked to rising autism rates and to an extent ADHD and other mental disorders that have become more prevalent as of late.

I'm gonna keep it short and sweet, but I'd ask that people maybe do a few google searches at least and form their own opinion on the matter. If you're gonna be an ignorant douchebag about it, keep your douchebaggery to yourself. I'm looking for well thought-out assessment of the facts from from an unbiased standpoint.

[Correction]

Tinfoil hats on!

I googled Thiomersal and found this:

there is no convincing evidence that thiomersal is a factor in the onset of autism

In the U.S., the European Union, and a few other affluent countries, thiomersal is no longer used as a preservative in routine childhood vaccination schedules

Am I doing it right? Who's still sitting on the fence here?

[Tristam]

Sad truth video

As for vaccinations, I'm still on the fence on the subject, but the short of it is that thimerasol, a mercury derivative in flu vaccines has supposedly been linked to rising autism rates and to an extent ADHD and other mental disorders that have become more prevalent as of late.

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

this is in fact one of the stupidest things I've ever seen on the internet.

I've got some time, I'll try to hit a couple points if this thread takes off, but that video is concentrated stupid.

edit: ok

first: there hasn't been any thimerosal in vaccines for quite some time, we've been using better preservatives which is in no way related to any increase in autism or lolIQ rates. The video intentionally disregards the ample evidence for different diagnostic criteria as well as increasing awareness about the condition and broadening of the same diagnostic critreia. If mercury was the cause, we wouldn't continue to see the same trend in autism rates, yet we have, it's not the mercury. (If you've been keeping up on this stuff, the issue is now "aluminum", whatever lol).

second: any toxicologist, pharmacologist, or related specialist will tell you everything is toxic, it's the DOSE that matters. Water will kill you if you drink enough of it, same with most anything. The concentration of mercury in vaccines is so low, it's actually lower than the total heavy metal content of breast milk.

third: the total antigen content of vaccines has gotten dramatically lower over the years, we've reduced the number of things the immune system has to "read" to generate antibodies.

fourth: This antivaccination craze hit the UK pretty hard before the US, and measles is now endemic to the UK again, measles may seem like a small fish compared to autism, but the MMR vaccine also protects against mumps and rubella. So if pain, hospitalization, infertility, etc. is your thing, by all means don't vaccinate. But keep your kids outta school for their own safety and don't travel ever!!

[Kohan]

ADHD and many other "mental disorders" are often misdiagnosed, aren't they? Their statistical rise may only be relevant to two things: one, doctors actually and accurately diagnosing children's troubles, and two, hacks profiting off of labeling innocents.

[Dalek]

Tinfoil hats on!

I googled Thiomersal and found this:





Am I doing it right? Who's still sitting on the fence here?

Lol well I guess I should have done more reading on that, I admittedly only googled the fluoride thing because I'm an adult and not autistic(I don't think), so vaccinations weren't something I really give a shit about. Tristam gave me one violent shove off the fence, but at least I can thank him for shoving me onto the right side I guess. I was more curious about why fluoride is still being used, I'm on well water myself so I don't usually drink it but tap water has always tasted a bit funny to me. Like I said, I'd rather not be quick to jump on the conspiracy theory bandwagon, so I came to BG to ask questions.

It just seems like recently there have been rises in a lot of things that I never saw as a kid - peanut, ethanol, and other kinds of allergies, diabetes, rising diagnoses of ADHD and other disorders and its something I'm just curious about. In regards to ADHD specifically and other mental disorders leveled at children these days, I do believe many times they are overdiagnosed when it's simply kids behaving like kids.

[Tristam]

Lol well I guess I should have done more reading on that, I admittedly only googled the fluoride thing because I'm an adult and not autistic(I don't think), so vaccinations weren't something I really give a shit about. Tristam gave me one violent shove off the fence, but at least I can thank him for shoving me onto the right side I guess. I was more curious about why fluoride is still being used, I'm on well water myself so I don't usually drink it but tap water has always tasted a bit funny to me. Like I said, I'd rather not be quick to jump on the conspiracy theory bandwagon, so I came to BG to ask questions.

It just seems like recently there have been rises in a lot of things that I never saw as a kid - peanut, ethanol, and other kinds of allergies, diabetes, rising diagnoses of ADHD and other disorders and its something I'm just curious about. In regards to ADHD specifically and other mental disorders leveled at children these days, I do believe many times they are overdiagnosed when it's simply kids behaving like kids.

lol, sorry for the violence, but I've been following these sorts of things for quite some time now and the whole vaccines/autism thing is really driving me up a wall, I mean people are DYING now because of parents who have been fed some really crappy information. Imagine if you had a kid who had to delay the vaccination schedule for real health reasons, and your kid got measles (possibly died) from someone who was unvaccinated due to a conscious decision not to. It really really bothers me. This video literally preys on parents who are trying desperately to protect their childeren (parents are not objective when it comes to their own kids).

The fluoride thing I actually can't speak much about (didn't watch that part of the video I was so steamed at the vaccines thing) but I trust my dentist (I go to a faculty practice at a really good school) and they tell me fluoride's ok so for me it's ok.

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It just seems like recently there have been rises in a lot of things that I never saw as a kid - peanut, ethanol, and other kinds of allergies, diabetes, rising diagnoses of ADHD and other disorders and its something I'm just curious about. In regards to ADHD specifically and other mental disorders leveled at children these days, I do believe many times they are overdiagnosed when it's simply kids behaving like kids.

Logically this is happening because medical care has a point of inflection beyond which things that used to kill people is no longer killing them, allowing previously rare genetic mutations like nut allergies and birth defects to spread in the gene pool. There is also a asymptotically growing spread of information in this world that exposes you to something rare and can overstate its connection to a relatively common event.

Combine the two and you have the vaccine/autism hysteria.

[Priran]

they're trying to rob you of your precious bodily fluids

[Churchill]

I never grew up in a different time, lol, however...there are a lot of dumbass motherfuckers running around these days.

[heartslaught]

Let's see... I believe actually posting some truthful information on this subject is worthwhile here.

Quackwatch, great for debunk all things related to quackery:

Quackwatch

Though, right now, I'm going cross-eyed, I'll look it up later, but this is the one top resources for quackery. Guarantee it's on there in some form.

[Syntex]

Although this might mean nothing I'll say it anyways.

For the past 10 years or so(22 now) I have passed on getting any vaccines and flu shots. All this hype from the media that "This is the WORST Flu season they have seen! 12 people have died already, get your flu shots asap!!!!"

Keep in mind the people who died were like 100 years old and/or had a already severely compromised immune system as is and most likely couldn't handle it but anyways back on topic. My father has gotten the flu shot every year and has got sick as a dog yet I never get it ans sit in class next to people who are blowing their nose every 30 seconds and coughing all over and I have NEVER gotten the flu, kinda makes you wonder if we really need it.

You could say I'm a lot younger so my immune system is a lot more resilient but I do think there is something worth looking into here.

Also for those saying that vaccines are not the cause of autism I would like to bring up a point that was in the early 2000's where a couple had a 100% health baby who had no defects, no complications with the birth and was basically flawless. After getting the cocktail of vaccines the child in the following days began behaving differently and developed some form of autism. Now maybe it was coincidence but I think there is more to it then just what the experts want us to believe.

Also alhiezmiers(sp) has been linked to heavy metals which reside in the brain and mercury is a heavy metal and although small doses wont hurt its a lifetime of these metals building up in the brain that causes this in peoples golden years.

[Correction]

Also for those saying that vaccines are not the cause of autism I would like to bring up a point that was in the early 2000's where a couple had a 100% health baby who had no defects, no complications with the birth and was basically flawless. After getting the cocktail of vaccines the child in the following days began behaving differently and developed some form of autism. Now maybe it was coincidence but I think there is more to it then just what the experts want us to believe.

One exception proves the rule right?

And some links to back up your other bullshit would be nice, too.

[Kerberoz]

ITT: correlation equals causation!

[Tristam]

ITT: correlation equals causation!

also, the plural of anecdotes apparently = data!

[Tubbers]

Those sons of bitches are trying to poison us with di-hydrogen monoxide.

[Akucaen]

rising autism rates and to an extent ADHD and other mental disorders that have become more prevalent as of late.

Blame the DSM-IV-TR, lol. Autism is on a spectrum of extremely mild to "textbook" autism. In a nutshell, it's easier to get a diagnosis for Autism than ever. ADHD also has reduced symptom set to 'qualify' for the disorder.

Autism rates will jump when the DSM-V is published too.

[Wintermute]

Wasn't there a study a while back that proved that Autism and certain vaccinations were linked?

And wasn't that study later debunked because the "facts" were derived from a painfully small control group which were later found to have had problems anyway?

Think they claimed a majority of kids would develop autism based on their study which only looked at about 15 kids who already had it or some shit

In fact I think there was a BG thread about this way back...

EDIT: Thar you go: http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/gener...ns-autism.html

[Galkaeater]

ADHD is becoming more common because most schools are becoming more academic
want to dance? fuck that shit you got ADHD gota put you on meds so you can do maths n shit

[Tristam]

Wasn't there a study a while back that proved that Autism and certain vaccinations were linked?

And wasn't that study later debunked because the "facts" were derived from a painfully small control group which were later found to have had problems anyway?

Think they claimed a majority of kids would develop autism based on their study which only looked at about 15 kids who already had it or some shit

In fact I think there was a BG thread about this way back...

EDIT: Thar you go: http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/gener...ns-autism.html

The person in the UK that started the whole vaccines/autism thing has lost his license due to fraud and his research contains multiple errors and outright lies, there's a good chance he'll go to jail soon I think.

[Nystul]

they're trying to rob you of your precious bodily fluids

I was wondering how long it would be before someone would toss out a Strangelove quote.

Also, there is a whole lot of stupid in this thread. If you're going to comment on something like this or form an opinion about an issue like this please make sure you bother to learn concepts of statistical significance, or basic biology, or the difference between causation and correlation.