Post pictures of your gear V: Throw moar RNGs at it

[Maaglin]

Finishing dagger/getting evisc for apollyon solo, don't currently do limbus with anyone, and will OHat outparse Shura Head?

yes, ohat > shura

[Fridell]

yes, ohat > shura

Yes indeed, do all you can with Acc / Att / DEX before your STR on Jin is my advice (well beside obvious pieces that have both or more like Haub etc). This MIGHT change if you have semi-great ACC already and pop Pizza, though I usually pop meat for all things beside Mamools (I pop Pizza only because of the THF mobs TPing in AF body+1 etc)

You can play around with STR on way weaker mobs if you want, only times I use STR on my Jin is on combined pieces like Ninja Tekko+1 / Marine M Boots, though I use Koga Tekko (STR+12) at night because it outdo the Ninja Tekko on most things I fight.


Edit: I forgot, Perdu Blade is a damn nice upgrade also.

[Amastacia]

Yes indeed, do all you can with Acc / Att / DEX before your STR on Jin is my advice (well beside obvious pieces that have both or more like Haub etc). This MIGHT change if you have semi-great ACC already and pop Pizza, though I usually pop meat for all things beside Mamools (I pop Pizza only because of the THF mobs TPing in AF body+1 etc)

You can play around with STR on way weaker mobs if you want, only times I use STR on my Jin is on combined pieces like Ninja Tekko+1 / Marine M Boots, though I use Koga Tekko (STR+12) at night because it outdo the Ninja Tekko on most things I fight.


Edit: I forgot, Perdu Blade is a damn nice upgrade also.

I disagree with quite a bit of this, and the quoted post about OHat.

For starters most NINs use sushi as a primary food, and though you or I may not, it's safe to assume that when a NIN posts their gear, it's based on a sushi build.

You can cap Acc on WS pretty easily in most situations when eating sushi, so Shura can be a better option than OHat in a lot of cases. You still need a fair amount of Acc in your WS gear, but not all-out Acc in every slot.

More importantly, I take major issue with your listing of important stats to max for Jin.

Acc is obviously #1. It's multihit, so landing more hits does more to improve average damage than anything else.

STR is actually pretty damn important once you're not sacrificing hit rate for it. For low base damage weapons like katanas, you get a larger percentage increase in weapon damage by pumping fSTR than you do on higher base damage weapons (setting aside SAM which is whoring STR for the mods on Y/G/K, and not for fSTR in particular). You also get more benefit from 1 point of STR than 1 point of DEX.

DEX is nice when you need extra Acc, but it is not preferable to STR when you're trying to increase per-hit damage once Acc is capped. The effects on crit rate are so minor that it's foolish to swap a STR-biased piece for DEX, with the single notable exception of Byakko's Haidate (since it's both an excellent damage piece due to sheer quantity of DEX, and an excellent Acc piece to boot).

Att is important, but not as important as for other multihit WSs that are not crit-based like Asuran Fists. Once you start adding meat or BRDs to the picture, you're starting to push your cRatio high enough that you need a significant sum of Att to cause a significant improvement.

All that said, common sense is still pretty excellent. Trading off a lot of one stat for a little of another is pretty silly, unless the one you're giving up is no longer relevant (e.g. additional Acc beyond what is necessary to reach the 95% cap). I wouldn't use a Smilodon +1 over Forager's or Cerb, but math-craft will happily bear out that NIN. Tekko +1 crap all over any of the Kote line, and the only other options that are as good or better situationally are Enkidu's Mittens or Koga Tekko (with the latter being the best by a large margin while active).

[Drunkenmonk]

this might be better for random ? thread but since we're talking about jin
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nin is 67 atm and im not really sure which is best, im leaning towards #1 for a general use build with sushi/pizza

[stewie]

Well, atm, I'm working on Enkidu Hands, will those outdo AF Hands+1? I normally eat pizza if I merit at mamools, though most of the time it's ls pt's at birds.

[Thorny]

Yes indeed, do all you can with Acc / Att / DEX before your STR on Jin is my advice (well beside obvious pieces that have both or more like Haub etc). This MIGHT change if you have semi-great ACC already and pop Pizza, though I usually pop meat for all things beside Mamools (I pop Pizza only because of the THF mobs TPing in AF body+1 etc)

You can play around with STR on way weaker mobs if you want, only times I use STR on my Jin is on combined pieces like Ninja Tekko+1 / Marine M Boots, though I use Koga Tekko (STR+12) at night because it outdo the Ninja Tekko on most things I fight.


Edit: I forgot, Perdu Blade is a damn nice upgrade also.

you recommend ohat over shura(5 acc for 5 str) but are willing to waste af+1 mats on nin tekko+1(-5 acc for 2 str 2 dex vs easy to get enkidu's mittens.. while the dex translates to one acc, it's still a worse tradeoff than ohat vs shura)..

Edit: posted this within 30 seconds of stewie's post, yes enkidu are better than af+1 in most situations.. it's a huge waste of AF+1 mats, especially for someone who solos(head and legs are hugely underrated, feet and body are good for obvious reasons, hands are the worst piece imo yet every moron gets them first..)

[stewie]

Well, was planning on getting head first anyways, so will just skip hands altogether, and hopefully will be trioing Balor daily until belt drops.

[Falisa]

I have so much hate for some of those COR pieces you own Jornna QQ

[BadKarma]

Well, was planning on getting head first anyways, so will just skip hands altogether, and hopefully will be trioing Balor daily until belt drops.

also stewie dont you dare ever bitch about Balor, remember my record dont ya?

[stewie]

lol, mhm. Not really >.> 0/20+ though?

[BadKarma]

lol, mhm. Not really >.> 0/20+ though?

1/21 >.>;;

[stewie]

Ah, hopefully won't be that unlucky!

[Deader2818]

I have so much hate for some of those COR pieces you own Jornna QQ

Which pieces?

[Falisa]

I want myself some +1 AF and enkidu body >.<

[Deader2818]

I thought the Corsair princess would camp Limbus areas like I did to get my 3 af+1 pieces D:

Actually, I have a 4th set now of COR items but I dont think I really want to upgrade hands or legs. lol.

[Falisa]

I work weird hours, I have no idea when other LSs do their runs

[Deader2818]

I had no idea when other LSs did the runs either, I just stayed in there and hoped a friendly JP or EU group would let me buy/have

[BerenTebogo]

Needs more Shura head AND Nin. Tekko +1.

Fuck that, tbh needs more Gnadbohd's Helm. If you have to think about using ohat - eat sushi. Pretty much end of that discussion right there.

Edit: loling @ the guy who is swearing by Nin. Hakama +1 but not the tekko. Good stuff right there.

[Aurara]

Needs more Shura head AND Nin. Tekko +1.

Fuck that, tbh needs more Gnadbohd's Helm. If you have to think about using ohat - eat sushi. Pretty much end of that discussion right there.

Edit: loling @ the guy who is swearing by Nin. Hakama +1 but not the tekko. Good stuff right there.

hush you, be nice

[Thorny]

Needs more Shura head AND Nin. Tekko +1.

Fuck that, tbh needs more Gnadbohd's Helm. If you have to think about using ohat - eat sushi. Pretty much end of that discussion right there.

Edit: loling @ the guy who is swearing by Nin. Hakama +1 but not the tekko. Good stuff right there.

not everyone likes having to use sushi on nin, shura head + hope torque or pcc + enkidu's mittens + byakko's + denali feet + acc rings + hauby+1 has you pretty much covered for ws acc on most things NIN is even worth bringing to at no major loss to modifiers.. even better if you have access to hachiryu kote, i just don't see why nin tekko+1 are so hyped :/ hakama are considered garbage by a lot of people, but if you're soloing difficult mobs then the extra evasion beats out haidate at night and getting free accuracy on top of it is always a plus(somewhat worthless if you have koga legs+1, but gl with that)