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  1. #721
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorny View Post
    you recommend ohat over shura(5 acc for 5 str) but are willing to waste af+1 mats on nin tekko+1(-5 acc for 2 str 2 dex vs easy to get enkidu's mittens.. while the dex translates to one acc, it's still a worse tradeoff than ohat vs shura)..

    Edit: posted this within 30 seconds of stewie's post, yes enkidu are better than af+1 in most situations.. it's a huge waste of AF+1 mats, especially for someone who solos(head and legs are hugely underrated, feet and body are good for obvious reasons, hands are the worst piece imo yet every moron gets them first..)
    Yes obviously Enkidu is better then NIN Tekko+1 mostly, but as I never even mentioned it (I assumed he did Limbus for some reason and its easy to get the mats for it), so its not saying Im willing to trade -5 Acc fot 2 STR and 2DEX to this guy since I never mentioned Enkidu at all.
    But calling ppl moron to upgrade hands, Im not sure what world you live in.
    Ninja Tekko+1 is easy to get and, from what i can tell, do its job damn good for most serious Ninjas here.

    I've done lots of testing and have many different Jin setups which I use for many different situations. The stuff I use and suggest works best for my NIN with the gear I have for it, also why wouldnt I suggest someone else get and use similiar stuff also?
    I gave some simple advice to this guys Ninja gear. Advicing the Hakam+1 is not a good advice to upgrade over Tekko lol.

    And Amastacia:

    Yea, I speak mostly from a meat eating perspective.
    The Shura head VS Ohat debate = damn stuff is situational, I already covered the part where he can test more STR on weaker stuff etc doh.

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    NIN Tekko+1 is (relatively) easy to get, but it still has opportunity cost of another piece of af+1, 3 of which are clearly better(head/body/feet).. I personally believe the hakama are as well, though those would be the 4th upgrade. Enkidu's mittens are easy to get as well, nuhn is in a desolate area and you can easily DoT kite it to death or even zone nuke if you have a couple people. I don't know about you, but it took me a while to get each of my plaited cords.. something like 8 months of limbus every time timer is ready to get 4 pieces of AF+1. Getting enkidu mittens is a much easier endeavor than getting a set of limbus mats, barring trying to buy them(not sure how viable it is, a few threads on it lately though so it's doable I guess).

  3. #723
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorny View Post
    not everyone likes having to use sushi on nin, shura head + hope torque or pcc + enkidu's mittens + byakko's + denali feet + acc rings + hauby+1 has you pretty much covered for ws acc on most things NIN is even worth bringing to at no major loss to modifiers.. even better if you have access to hachiryu kote, i just don't see why nin tekko+1 are so hyped :/ hakama are considered garbage by a lot of people, but if you're soloing difficult mobs then the extra evasion beats out haidate at night and getting free accuracy on top of it is always a plus(somewhat worthless if you have koga legs+1, but gl with that)
    You could do Nori kote, ohat, usu body, 2x snipers ring +1, PCC, bomblet, etc and still not cap your ACC without madrigal even on birds.

    Know your role. Madrigal = meat and shura + tekko +1. No madrigal? = sushi + banods

    You don't 'pretty much cover ws acc on most things NIN is even worth bringing to' ever without a COR or a BRD having his hand on your dick. Sorry.

    Edit: I'm so fucking sick of people 'eyeballing' their accuracy. If you people are so sure your sets are better than the current generally accepted 'best' setup then post some parses. I wanna see some 90+% ACC parses from NINs in here, madrigal or not. Chop chop.

    Edit 2: Since I'm going to be gone for like 8 hours I'm going to follow the spirit of 'put up or shut up.' Here was my last gear SS from the summer. Don't mind the clearly older WS set, I don't feel like uploading a newer one with ugly snipers.

    Main meat WS set:
    http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...425_105943.jpg

    Meat TP:
    http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...623_172030.jpg

    And I can't say enough, I know Lyriamon will agree with me here, NIN WS damage is ass. It sucks. Focus on your DPS. You'll never change parses with different WS gear, sorry.

  4. #724
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    What Sath said here, I agree on mostly.
    Hence why I advice on lots of ACC on WSs lol.
    Have different setups for your Jin, depending what you fight, what BRDs sing etc etc.
    But meh, I like NIN and bring lots of gear for it. This guy who asked for advice may not be so super serious about his NIN, but with Ohats and NIN tekko+1 you cant go wrong either way imo o.o

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    can't be assed finding ancient screenshots or parses, i'm not saying my gear is better than everyone else's or anything.. but you're sidetracking and not addressing the tekko themselves :/ you just have to read the stats to see enkidu are equal or superior in most situations, and don't take nearly as much opportunity cost to obtain

  6. #726
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridell View Post
    What Sath said here, I agree on mostly.
    Hence why I advice on lots of ACC on WSs lol.
    Have different setups for your Jin, depending what you fight, what BRDs sing etc etc.
    But meh, I like NIN and bring lots of gear for it. This guy who asked for advice may not be so super serious about his NIN, but with Ohats and NIN tekko+1 you cant go wrong either way imo o.o
    Oh I love my NIN, but, I basically never merit on it. I solo/duo/tank 10 times more than I merit. Since the update, I normally spam Crab Sushi at birds, and have Hunter's Roll/Madrigal 95% of the time, and Marinara Pizza+1 at Mamool.

  7. #727
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amastacia View Post
    I disagree with quite a bit of this, and the quoted post about OHat.

    For starters most NINs use sushi as a primary food, and though you or I may not, it's safe to assume that when a NIN posts their gear, it's based on a sushi build.
    Except most nin's aren't spamming sushi at birds (which still won't cap you w/o an acc song anyway), and using sushi at mamools doesn't put you at cap either.

    My most recent pt at birds with brd+cor setup with hunter's roll and spamming kabobs, my accuracy was 88%.

    So yeah, ohat > shura in most situations.

    I suppose next you're going to say how you average 900+ jins.

  8. #728
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    My ws average like 550.

  9. #729
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    Off topic, but Sath's sig... That shit was so cash.

  10. #730
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    Gdi, the House .gif makes me laugh much longer than it should everytime I see it.

  11. #731
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    Inc ass load of pictures.

    yay pld!

    No cerb because I pretty much stopped playing after I left my last hnmls 4 months ago, and gave my cerb and such back then. Hopefully getting back into endgame soon.

    Idle
    http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...ee/PLDIdle.jpg
    (Add Ritter gorget for flash, ritter and warwolf if going for non-blinking on cures, if not use enmity set and Shield torque for Ichi)

    Atonement spam idle (Macro into enmity for using atonement, add Blood ring instead of hercules')
    http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...udee/PLDDD.jpg

    Enmity
    http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1.../PLDEnmity.jpg

    Oshi: (Warwolf supposed to be there, not swift)
    http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...ee/PLDOshi.jpg

    Fire Resist: (really need to get my cerb back for this to be good again)
    http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...ee/PLDFire.jpg

    Magic Build: (add Iron Ram helm, swap swift in where applicable, this set needs the most work imo (hq coral rings so I can add IR pants, few other things))
    ope, another mistake in macros... Ethereal, not Loq here.
    http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...e/PLDMagic.jpg
    Question here, would this build work for Ultima, or would I need to add more hp for it to work? I've never even got to tank Ultima before, always had to rdm.

    Also, for something like JoL do you blink in/out of the magic set for cures/flash, or just keep it on? I've never tanked JoL either, after dinging 75 pld we pretty much stoped doing sea until the AV nerf. Mostly not sure about how fast it casts and the like.

  12. #732
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    Why Warwolf in MDT Set? and why not Idle in the regen piece?

    Edit: and for JoL when I played PLD I Casted all spells and JAs in usual sets and blinked to my MDT set on Spells.

  13. #733
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    Swap between warwolf and swift, I don't know of any MDB gear for the waist, is there any?

    As for idling in Shadow, I guess its just something I never really thought of, when I first got it I was in a shell that, for the most part, bitched endlessly at tanks blinking much/at all. It was quite annoying, mostly before I had paladin, tanking Khim nin/rdm, getting bitched at by mages and told they wouldn't cure me for swapping into Oshi gear fairly often. Yay for bad mages!

    Thanks for the idea, though, I'm really sick of the gallant look, and shadow body looks fairly good mixed with homam imo.

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  15. #735
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    Resolute or a HP Belt(Ocean's Sash for Hume?) would be better for CB, probably.

  16. #736
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    icic, how did I miss that...

    thanks!

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    and HP food for christs sake

  18. #738
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    If you're high enough rank there's Lieutenant's Sash, too.

  19. #739
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    Hmm, picture was hueg at first, but came out somewhat tiny after all.
    Anyways hopefully it's still recognizable - most sets are pretty self explanatory. From top to bottom:

    TP: Since I put some merits into Third Eye I rely on the aftermath of Kaiten to achieve a 6-hit setup, so this is the set for everything fast paced, like merits etc. Have Askar Korazin for cases I don't get to re-engage until aftermath is almost over. I'd probably use Usu Body over Haub for anything I don't cap accuracy on but like everyone else 14/15 with turtle not putting out D;

    WS: This is the WS set for /War with some more focus on Attack. For Yuki/Gekko/Kasha or whenever I sub Thief I use Osode over Byrnie+1.

    Physical Damage Reduction: This is the full set I use when I'm in real trouble or tanking some more serious stuff like Odin, Dynamis mobs (especially Mnks) and some other NMs - for merits I typically only switch Head/Body/Ring.

    Magical Damage Reduction: Could use some more MDB pieces I guess, but inventory is bad enough as it is ;/ There's also some physical damage reduction pieces in there, since more often than not mobs manage to get in a hit right after some -ga spell gets off.

    Archery: Sold a lot of gear I used for /Rng back in the days, so missing some pieces (earrings/dusk legs/HQ bow). Still use this set every now and then for stuff like KS99 Wyrm or anything you typically go as /Thf, but can't build TP on the mob/surrounding and don't wanna wait 2:30 between each WS like Khimaira or Sarameya.

    Ambigous pieces in the gear sets I can think of are Speed Belt, Ritter Gorget, Pole Grip, Snow/Breeze/Light Gorget, Brutal Earring and Bushinomimi!
    Outside of AV/PW drops and some random bits and pieces I don't see anything major left to improve. Working on some polearm set, but not a great fan of colibri camp anyways and need to get a good polearm before fine-tuning it.

  20. #740
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    http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1033/37840948eh2.png

    DRK TP ^

    http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6018/67453548px4.png


    DRK WS



    Side Notes - I got the gimp body piece since there are no level 55's. So I'm waiting for one to pop on the AH, I got Haubergeon / Amemet +1 / Potent Belt / Chiv Chain / Vassago Scythe, Bomb Core at 58-61.

    Other then that, any suggestions for my gear now / future gear suggestions? I'll be buying Dusk Gloves / getting W Turban / Swift Belt / Amir Boots. I don't have sea/nor a HNMLS.

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