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  1. #1441
    Sea Torques
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    Except Amanomurakumo has 437 delay? Which was the pic he was referring to.

  2. #1442
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    Good catch, with that it wouldn't be 6hit... unless you were using Kaiten's storetp. For any SAM with a Hagun in said position however, -Rajas +Toreador's in that case could be an improvement.

  3. #1443
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raen Ryong View Post
    Samurai75 StoreTP analysis:
    Trait: 25
    Merit: 10
    Haramaki: 6
    Sune-ate: 7
    Brutal: 1
    Total: 49

    Base TP/hit of Delay450: 11.5

    11.5 * 1.35 = 15.5tp/hit (no storetp in gear - lowest possible TP return of a normal landed hit with full merits)

    11.5 * 1.49 = 17.1tp/hit (normal TP/hit of this build)

    17.1 * 5 = 85.5

    Therefore the 6th hit (or first in reality, the WS) needs 14.5tp to be a 6hit. 15.5tp/hit is bare minimum.

    His potential build involving no Rajas is still 6 hit.

    Toreador's over Rajas:
    5STR 5DEX vs 7acc
    5STR 3.75atk 5DEX 3.75acc vs 7acc
    5STR 3.75atk 5DEX vs 3.25acc

    All three things on the left hand side only improve DoT, not WS frequency which the Hagun greatly favours. 5DEX is pretty minor in most SAM builds, and you're basically looking at Justice Torque vs Peacock Charm, except less attack. In builds involving a Hagun, Peacock Charm can actually end up winning such a comparison, so there's a good chance the double Toreador's build could win out.

    Small differences but meh, what he said wasn't stupid.
    All that maths and you don't even look at the screen shot

  4. #1444
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    I blame dynamis

  5. #1445
    so i herd u liek trollin
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    Next thread name nominations? +1 btw.

  6. #1446
    I clean, I jerk, and I have a decent snatch.
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    Post pictures of your gear VI: Less Math, More Pictures!

    ??? :3

  7. #1447
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    Because the one thing an amano sam with black tath, usu body, ace's helm, j-torque, usu feet, byakko's haidate, 8/8 gk merits, and a sniper's +1 needs is more accuracy for his tp build

  8. #1448
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    Even with 7/8 GKT merits (295 skill) and <not even close to that much accuracy in my TP build> I still parse at/over 90% even only half-timing Hasso. (That setup has substantially more accuracy than mine, and there's absolutely no need for most of it)
    Quote Originally Posted by Killkenny's gear
    +59 Accuracy in gear
    +21 Accuracy from DEX from gear
    +14 Accuracy from GKT merits
    +6 Accuracy from JTorque
    _____________________
    +102 Accuracy
    <.<a
    http://i43.tinypic.com/14smlvo.png
    Subtract 2.5% Accuracy for only using Hasso roughly half of the time and I'm still above 90% (With a WORLD of improvement to go, though even when I get Bhaidate I'll be at 94% even if I was fulltiming Seigan)

  9. #1449
    Pens win! Pens Win!!! PENS WIN!!!!!
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    Something seems off about that calculator. Hit rate seems too high unless I'm just way overshooting my Acc at bird camps.

    I parse myself non-stop, at birds I'm always hovering around 94.5-95.2% which would be capped Acc. On Mamools I usually hover around the 90~91% mark. More facotors at Mamools tho due to Nins casting shadows, every once in a while I get hit with Blind from a Nin, and if at MJSP dealing with Flash from the puks.

    Hume, War/Sam

    I TP in +39 Acc, +33 Dex(can't remember what base Dex is) 299 GA Skill, and I use Agressor the second it's up, almost never use Hasso unless just before a WS. At Mamools it's an extra +5 Acc from eating Hedgehog pie.

    I figure I have about 415 Acc, which is 30 more then you, and if I'm seeing this right that means I could lose my E.Body and still be at capped hit rate on birds basically?

    That just doesn't seem right unless I'm doing something wrong here.

  10. #1450
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    Ugh, I made a slight error when inputting into the calculator since I can't read correctly. I put in 325 Evasion for colibri when in reality the average is about 336. So the shot I posted is a little high, percentage-wise. My accuracy comes in closer to 86% whenever I put the correct evasion in!

    You can't really calculate accuracy on mamools due to way too many factors:

    (Nyzul: shadows, different jobs, blinded, Warmup evasion+)
    (MMJSP: shadows, different jobs, different mobs, blinded, flashed, Warmup evasion+)

    So the calculator is really only useful on birds which don't buff themselves, don't blind you (unless you have an idiot of a mage) or cast shadows. The average evasion of a Greater Colibri is 336 (Lv81 have 334, Lv82 have 339). (Source)

    Assuming you have 68 base DEX (ballparking, don't know Hume SAM/WAR base DEX@75) and you never use Hasso on birds, and you have Agressor on 60% of the time, then you have 418(.8 ) accuracy, which is 18 over the cap.

    Basically, 418.8 accuracy on birds = 400 accuracy on birds. 95% hit rate. So if you never used Agressor, your accuracy would stay unchanged.

    Mamools vary between 318 evasion (Blusterer) and 429 evasion (Lurker) by the way.

  11. #1451
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    You will not cap at mamools on a parser regularly(if ever) if you are fighting NINs and THFs(especially THFs) in normal merit conditions in a standard TP set, just don't worry about it unless you want to swap in some retarded Ohat Noritsune etc set for those. Even with the gear in my sig+DE+acc gloves+hasso i could not cap on THFs as DRK. WAR has the benefit of aggressor, but it still will not make up the difference without bravura.

    Birds on the other hand(which iirc are close to DRG BLM BLU mamools and unbuffed skoffins in evasion), often people use too much acc for 2 handers, especially relic holders.

    One more thing that really annoys me, relic users with sniper+1s, get a toreadors or ulthalam or iota or something, seriously, you make a huge deal about min/max performance, so don't throw defense away on those stupid whitebox rings, it helps, and if you think I'm bullshitting try eating some fang rushes and drubs before and after using a rabbit pie.

  12. #1452
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesctaa View Post
    get a toreadors or ulthalam or iota or something, seriously
    wut

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    From Top left to top right:
    Gravity / Slow / Para + Bind / Sleep

    From Middle Left to right:
    Enmity casting set / Uts casting / O Shit / Fire Build

    From bottom left to right:
    Stoneskin / Phalanx (+ Barfire if no whm is with me)

    If i can land Slow / Para on mobs well i drop the +5 Macc for 5 int / 5 MND, but i go rdm/nin to most things and some times can be hard to land it. It is usally to just land it till the next RDM/BLMs ES Slow2 / Para2 is ready to cover the gap that there is with are RDM/BLM cycle.

  15. #1455
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    maybe I'm missing something, but did you really just post 4 equip pics showing a staff change only?


    Pretty good tanking setups, missing a few upgrades I'm sure you are already well aware of. Don't have a convert build?

    Could save some room on some of that mnd gear for your stoneskin, believe it is 95MND with cap Enhance to reach 350.

  16. #1456
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanketsu View Post
    wut
    A marginal increase in hit rate on 1 in 10-15 of the mobs you are killing in merit does not warrant giving up 12 defense for. A well geared 2 hand relic DD will be capped acc on the other crap you kill with nothing at all in that slot anyway.

  17. #1457
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaolas View Post
    maybe I'm missing something, but did you really just post 4 equip pics showing a staff change only?


    Pretty good tanking setups, missing a few upgrades I'm sure you are already well aware of. Don't have a convert build?

    Could save some room on some of that mnd gear for your stoneskin, believe it is 95MND with cap Enhance to reach 350.
    Once i get my stoneskin neck / Hands i will use AF Legs and then only need 90 MND to cap it. Yes i just did do SS of staff change. My tanking gear is missing some stuff but its not because got no gill (Got tons of that) Just its so fuckin rare. I went 1/67 today on my hq Darksteel cap, but 1/4 for the +1 body >_>;

    My Convert is not used for MP its used for OSHIT I AM UNDER 100 HP AND MAGES CASTING HASTE ETC. I use it to get HP back not MP. As i never run out of mp. March X2 / Ballad X2 + Refresh from hat / body + Refresh from other RDM and some times SMN Roll (COR RDM RDM BRD PLD BRD ftw). I spam all my spells some times and do not lost mp. Unlike a +HP -> Cure self that HP -> Convert. I can not do that with MP -> HP. At the start i do a few Cure4 tricks to get hate then usally sit 600 MP for all the fight. So its just an extra 600 HP on demand if its really needed. Has saved my ass a few times when HQ worm toke March X 2 and Haste and is hitting so fast >_>;'

  18. #1458
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    maybe for grav use a wind grip
    sleep a dark grip

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    2 Stacks of Echo, 1 Stack of Antidote/ 1 12 Stack of Shihei/ 1 Stack of Tacos / Linkpearl / 2 Opened 99 Shihei

    With all my gear
    69/70

    If i want to lot a rare/ex I need one space free. Just can not wait for this upgrade in inv space.

  20. #1460
    Pens win! Pens Win!!! PENS WIN!!!!!
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    Guess it depends what you do, but for HNM I don't go /Nin so don't bother bringing any tanking gear at all, I usually /War for claiming purposes, but even as /War I have a nice MND build which is easy to land on your general HNM. Nice gear though, could use an enfeebling earring for gravity/bind though.

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