Current appropriate tip rates on high-end craftables?

[Raylinn]

My friends often give my name out to people wanting something crafted. My standard is 20% on HQ, 10k on NQ. If the item is one that I've been using recently as my profit items, I'll refuse to synth it and tell them I have one they can buy.

[Zilong]

Keeping HQ and giving the client NQ are the highest form of douchebaggery in crafting, and anyone that practice that are assholes.

Those are the client's mat, you're not risking for break/NQ loss, you're not entitled to all the HQ profit.

Some sort of profit sharing agreement made on the spot is usually the best since you can just work it out then, and if an item has an HQ worth quarelling about, you should've set a term for it before crafting.

I've pretty much given any crafter that ask for NQ switch or even 50% profit on HQ the middle finger.

Until crafters start reimbursing me material/NQ loss fee, they can go fuck themselves if they'd honestly offer that term to me.

I'll pay a tip, that's a given, but screw greedy crafters.

[matt4684]

Until crafters start reimbursing me material/NQ loss fee, they can go fuck themselves if they'd honestly offer that term to me.

When clients start reimbursing me for the millions of gil it took for me to get into a position to drop an item worth millions of gil into their laps I'll start considering it

[Sanoske]

Bunch of crap.

Because I spent millions upon millions leveling my crafts just to give you a good deal, amirite?

Back in the day it was "I keep HQ, and I replace with NQ out of pocket before HQ even sells or gtfo." And this was if I crafted for people at all. Only exceptions were good friends.

Nowadays, it's "HQ = sell and split, and I provide NQ out of pocket". Same exception.

Commisioned synth runs (multiple attempts at HQ), I'll usually require 20% of market price, unless the person ends up with shit luck.

If people don't like my terms, ok that's cool with me, keep walking. However, most people are totally fine with it. I actually don't think I've ever had anyone who's not ok with those terms. Not sure what makes you think you're entitled to the lion's share of the benefit from a craft that someone else worked to level.

If you want to get high priced HQs at way below market price, go level the craft yourself.



Oh, and dropping mad gilz on shihei is serious business.

[tommygunnz]

Because I spent millions upon millions leveling my crafts just to give you a good deal, amirite?

Back in the day it was "I keep HQ, and I replace with NQ out of pocket before HQ even sells or gtfo." And this was if I crafted for people at all. Only exceptions were good friends.

Nowadays, it's "HQ = sell and split, and I provide NQ out of pocket". Same exception.

Commisioned synth runs (multiple attempts at HQ), I'll usually require 20% of market price, unless the person ends up with shit luck.

If people don't like my terms, ok that's cool with me, keep walking. However, most people are totally fine with it. I actually don't think I've ever had anyone who's not ok with those terms. Not sure what makes you think you're entitled to the lion's share of the benefit from a craft that someone else worked to level.

If you want to get high priced HQs at way below market price, go level the craft yourself.



Oh, and dropping mad gilz on shihei is serious business.

Was like Huh?? Then read his homoerotic Sig.

What a tard.

Cheapskates make me laugh, go farm some more materials for me Zilong you fuckin Blue Collar.

[vegetaa]

If people don't like my terms, ok that's cool with me, keep walking.

It's that simple.

I think the REAL douchebaggery comes from the people who don't realize that nobody is going to force them to accept a crafter's terms.

The crafter is the guy who spent his time and money levelling the craft, and you're the one asking him a favor, so he can pretty much ask for your mother + sister + first born in return.

[absolutevirtues]

@Zilong
You go lvl smithing to 100 and have some douchebag request the same crap u stated and see how you feel. As someone stated; getting a craft to 100 takes a lot of MY time/gils. As for me,I don't advertise myself anymore for synths. Unless I'll get something out of the synthesis, keep shouting scrub lol.

[johnboy]

I tip for nq, let alone hq... had a friend synth 9 cerb mantles for me before, went 0/9 but still gave him 1 for trying, but i do think 50% of hq worth is alot to ask.

[Zilong]

When clients start reimbursing me for the millions of gil it took for me to get into a position to drop an item worth millions of gil into their laps I'll start considering it

No, you spend millions on your synth so you can try HQ shit, with your own material. On anything involving client's material, you can just run an agreement, I'm merely giving you my point of view on things, and you're more than welcome to disagree.

But you're just kidding yourself if you'd think that getting 50% or more of the profit of a synth that risks breaking/NQ losses for the client is "fair game" just because you levelled a craft to 100.

Commisioned synth runs (multiple attempts at HQ), I'll usually require 20% of market price, unless the person ends up with shit luck.

If people don't like my terms, ok that's cool with me, keep walking. However, most people are totally fine with it. I actually don't think I've ever had anyone who's not ok with those terms. Not sure what makes you think you're entitled to the lion's share of the benefit from a craft that someone else worked to level.

20% for a commissioned HQ runs is a pretty decent term, I'd agree with that depending on the item, but I've had a crafter tell me shit like "oh I'll synth your cerberus mantle from your hides, but if you get HQ, I'll take 50% of the profit", so pardon me if I sound slightly irked considering the damn thing is already 40% losses on NQ.

The way I see it, you level craft to 100 for YOUR sake, just like how I'd gather expensive materials and risk breaking for MY sake. You don't need me to make profit, and I can always find a crafter with less retarded term if you give me bullshit term, this is not 2004 when only few people have craft at 100.

You go lvl smithing to 100 and have some douchebag request the same crap u stated and see how you feel. As someone stated; getting a craft to 100 takes a lot of MY time/gils. As for me,I don't advertise myself anymore for synths. Unless I'll get something out of the synthesis, keep shouting scrub lol.

You can, you know, just like me, give those douchebags the middle finger.

Just like I have no obligation to agree and follow a crafter's term, a crafter have no obligation to follow through with the client's request. If either of them is being a douchebag, just give them the middle finger and go on with your life.

I don't really bother with asking random people for crafting anyway, I just ask friends, and I usually get more than a fair deal out of it.

Oh, and dropping mad gilz on shihei is serious business.

Some faggots post e-peen on their sig, I post parodies of a certain set of lines from a game, I don't expect you to know where it's from, just like how you probably don't expect anyone to care about your e-peen listing on your sig.

Unless you actually do, then that's just saaaaad.

[Sanoske]

I tip for nq, let alone hq... had a friend synth 9 cerb mantles for me before, went 0/9 but still gave him 1 for trying, but i do think 50% of hq worth is alot to ask.

You realize we're talking about a one shot deal here, right? If someone brings me mats to make... let's say a Cursed Dalm. Damn right I expect 50% of the profits if it HQs.

If someone came to me and said they would provide mats until Dalm HQd, we would establish a "market price" and I would expect ~20% of market price as a fee upon HQ. This is, of course, barring extreme bad luck.

And also, we're talking about big ticket items. (Kyudogi +1, Dusk Gloves +1, Dalm +1) If someone came and asked for something along the lines of a Haub +1, I'd just skip any split/sell crap and go straight to the ~20% fee on HQ.

[Sanoske]

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Like I said, if you don't like how I do business, I'd tell you to keep walking. If you ask friends to craft for you, then you can hardly compare that to asking a random crafter to do a synth for you and expect the same deal. If I don't know you pretty damn well, then it sure as hell is "fair game" for me to request whatever I feel like.

See above post for further explanation of differences between one off synths, and multiple attempts.

And if you think my sig doesn't raise a few eyebrows, then you're kidding yourself. But it's ok, I don't expect you to know how that is. Saaaaaaaad day.

[Zilong]

Hey, you're the faggot that brings sig into the discussion.

Glad we can agree that we'll probably never do any sort of crafting deal whatsoever together though.

[johnboy]

Yeah i understand we are talking about the big synths, and 1 shot, being a crafter myself, if someone came to me and say they wanted a cursed togi, id say ok if it hq we split 50/50 but actually give them more back by reimbersing the mats price. Now, if they came to me saying they wanted a hq, and was going to sell any nq.. I wouldnt take more than 25% because thats the item they want, not just shear luck from my hard work. So we pretty much agree there.

[Sanoske]

Hey, you're the faggot that brings sig into the discussion.

Glad we can agree that we'll probably never do any sort of crafting deal whatsoever together though.

Not sure where the faggot thing becomes necessary, that's cool though.

But damn, you're not on my server? Vang and I should transfer over and roll by you while we make it rain. Since we both pop mad bottles and fuck models.

[Omnipotent]

Why do people say gils.... you wouldn't say chineses.

[johnboy]

Why do people say gils.... you wouldn't say chineses.

Probably more to do with where people are from. Chineses is a bad example, thats comparing a race to a currency, people say gils like 1 dollar is 1 dollar, but 2 is dollers, or 1 pound is 1 pound but anything more is pounds.

[tommygunnz]

"just because you levelled a craft to 100."


You're such a dumbfuck


and word Sano

[Omnipotent]

Probably more to do with where people are from. Chineses is a bad example, thats comparing a race to a currency, people say gils like 1 dollar is 1 dollar, but 2 is dollers, or 1 pound is 1 pound but anything more is pounds.

Was poking a joke at tropic thunder..... damn. Guess no one saw it.

[Iremire]

Not sure where the faggot thing becomes necessary, that's cool though.

But damn, you're not on my server? Vang and I should transfer over and roll by you while we make it rain. Since we both pop mad bottles and fuck models.

I'm going to make that my sig.

[MillionDollarMan]

Very simple man. Keep HQ and give NQ then send them a decent amount of gil for the risk they took. I really don't like to craft for anyone because there's no item on AH that i can't buy with my gil and HQ for myself. If I synth something for you I'm doing YOU a favor. Wasting my Dusk Gloves +1 HQ on your stupid item you want synthed hurts my pockets at the end of the day. Or you can just throw on the NQ ring and everything is all good lol.